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DIY Song Mode

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Two Soldiers, Sep 1, 2011.

  1. theinvis

    theinvis NI Product Owner

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    this definitely much better than what we used to do back in the day on less relevant obsolete machines
     
  2. muckleberryblim

    muckleberryblim Forum Member

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    genius! thanks for working this out, really quite elegant for a workaround.

    however this should really be a built in feature, complete with pad mute recording and all the rest. here's hoping....
     
  3. aporia

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    +1, devs, if you're out there. Maschine as daw would be awesome!:
     
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  4. spencerday

    spencerday NI Product Owner

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    i am really loving this workaround at the moment, i actually quite like the machine scenes method but find this a lot quicker and also like the way you can chop up scenes with different patterns for fills etc. a bit tricky to set up but once its done and you save a template then dead easy.

    now if i could just find a way of recording pad mutes into arrangements in standalone mode. this one feature would massively improve workflow when using this technique. don't suppose its really possible though. not a major issue but would be really cool.
     
  5. noiserot

    noiserot Forum Member

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    This method does allow you to record track mutes and record arrangements on the fly all from within Maschine standalone.
     
  6. spencerday

    spencerday NI Product Owner

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    i am able to record group mutes into an arrangement but not individual tracks, have i missed something ?
     
  7. Airyck

    Airyck NI Product Owner

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    Earlier in the thread someone posted about routing all the sounds to the different pads in the "Master Arrangement Group" then using the LFO tool to mute each one and record that. So you can't mute the pads directly but you can have 15 "mute groups" which you can assign different sounds to....

    ... I have not tried this yet just reading what people said and translating.
     
  8. spencerday

    spencerday NI Product Owner

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    got it, i had the groups routed instead of individual sounds. doh.
     
  9. Two Soldiers

    Two Soldiers Forum Member

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    Hi again,

    No news about the track mute plugin I mentioned earlier but I jumped on the Komplete crossgrade bandwagon recently and have just put together a little midi gate in Reaktor. I've been using LFO tool to do recordable track mutes but this makes it a bit easier, though only for Reaktor owners I'm sorry.

    I'm not too sure how many files I need to upload in order to get this shared but I've attached the Reaktor ensemble and a simple template project with a gate set up on every pad of group H and also some pics so it should be relatively easy to get things going if my template doesn't work.

    To use:

    (i)Load the plugin within an instance of Reaktor FX and rout audio to it. Hit a pad to toggle muting of the incoming audio. If you are recording at the time the mute toggles will be recorded. To have an effect the note currently must be a C3(midi note 60). You can edit this in Reaktor.

    (ii) For the mutes to work reliably you have to initialise the effect i.e. make sure every time the pattern starts the gate is set to on or off. The way to do this is to assign the gate control to one of Maschine's knobs and and then set the gate's initial state in an automation lane(see attached pics).

    A cool thing is that if you set the automation as per the picture the track in question will be start off muted but if you then insert a note on the first step (without doing anything to the automation) the track will start un-muted. So a good workflow is to always have the automation as per the picture and then you can completely control muting/unmuting from the pads or step sequencer.

    (iii) Setting the Gate knob to a low value seems to minimise clicking problems.

    (iv) If you clear a pattern it clears the automation as well and resetting it can be a pain. Saved groups or patterns don't seem to store automation data so it can be useful to save copy the initialised pattern to unused patterns slots so you can make new copies quickly.

    I hope that makes sense. Let me know if you've any questions or if I've done something really silly in Reaktor. And big thanks to leoleox who explained how to set up a Reaktor gate over at the electro-music.com forum.
     

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  10. spencerday

    spencerday NI Product Owner

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    cool will check this out later, thanks :)
     
  11. 23kon

    23kon Forum Member

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    Anyone got time to do a video?
     
  12. spencerday

    spencerday NI Product Owner

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    @ twosoldiers

    how does the reaktor technique compare to lfotool cpu load wise ?
     
  13. Two Soldiers

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    Reaktor seems better but since 1.8 Maschine has improved for me Cpu wise so I'm not sure if I've directly compared them. Anyway, 16 instances only just registers on my meter ( 2009 imac 2.8ghz )

    I'll see if I can have a go on the weekend but I'm cursed with videos :|
     
  14. spencerday

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    Ok cool ill do a comparison later, I have a 2009 iMac 2.66 so similar spec and I'm sure 16 lfo tool instances uses a bit more than that, cheers for all your good work.
     
  15. Jorislive

    Jorislive New Member

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    Thanks Two Soldiers!

    Thank you very much Two Soldiers, this really contributes to a good all-on-masschine workflow!

    I hope soon there will be a possibillty to record pattern changes!

    Best Regards and keep up the nice out of the box thinking, ciao Joris
     
  16. markerline

    markerline NI Product Owner

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    Hi. I'm just seeing this post now and am wondering if this is the only way to play Maschine Live the way that someone like AraabMuzik plays his MPC live or Jeremy Ellis plays live and changes scenes mid throttle.

    I am really interested in learning how to use Maschine as a performance tool for live playback instead of having to record segments at a time and pause in between then sequence everything either with the Loop Range tool or with a DAW like Ableton or Sonar.

    Any tips that might involve a simpler workflow? Thanks in advance.
     
  17. noiserot

    noiserot Forum Member

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    Seems like you're confused about what this thread is about. It's not about playing live like you're talking about.
     
  18. kolta

    kolta NI Product Owner

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    Hi i have try the tutorial this morning , i'am on windows 7 , so i have try to connect a midi cable from in to out of the maschine hardware , and ... it works :)
    but when i record an arrangement and play the notes it's like if my pads where in toggle mod you know ? i have to hit a note twice for seeing it recorded ?
    each time i hit the note the scene change but , .. it's only if i hit a second time that it is recorded .

    so i'am looking for a way solve it , any idea ?
     
  19. spencerday

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    are you sure that is isnt just recording the first one but it is too small to see as you are zoomed out ?

    if you dont double tap does the scene change playback ?

    is it a latency issue ?

    could be related to what you have quanntize set to, ie is it waiting for the next relevant measure before changing scenes ?
     
  20. kolta

    kolta NI Product Owner

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    thx Spencerday! i will try to check those pointsbthis evening :)