Do Traktor Pro 2 and Scratch Pro 2 really need to co-exist?

There's nothing to stop you buying, or using the Scratch Software kit whether or not you have a Certified Device or not.

Without the hardware it will of course function the same as Pro but you will have the full software there.

 

I thought NI would check somehow when you buy the timecode kit whether you're eligible?

 

NI website clearly says

 

I think we all know by now what sound cards are required for Traktor Scratch

Here's my shopping cart on a brand new NI account:
http://i.imgur.com/kA6VMAs.jpg

There have never been checks on the kit in the past, but back when it was called the "Kontrol S4 Scratch Upgrade Kit" you needed to have Traktor Pro installed 1st.

 

The problem is your trying to say that the Service Center will install it as Traktor Pro if the hardware isn't present but I doubt that it will.
The license would look to install Scratch Pro not Traktor Pro.
When it didn't see the proper hardware what would make it think to simply install Traktor Pro?
The Service Center is the controlling factor not what they will sell.

 

The service center has nothing to do with hardware. It can't detect it, and you can't register your hardware in it.

You never have, and never will need hardware connected to install Traktor.

I never said the Service Center would install anything as Traktor Pro.
I said that if you don't have a certified interface, your Traktor Scratch install will have all the features of Traktor Pro since timecode is disabled.

 

In my opinion Traktor Scratch Pro ist even cheaper than just Traktor Pro. In the certified kit (everyone can buy it by the way) there are timecode vinyls and timecode cds included with a value of about 50 €... and a brand new licence.

So if you don't ever want to play with timecode vinyls give them to somebody who needs it - for i.e. 25 bucks. This way your costs are only 74 €. And you have the timecode feature as a spare.

The kit works with every kind of hardware only the timecode feature is limited to the listed devices.

 

Sure. But you need to have the hardware already to make the 99€ version work.

Wrong. It an upgrade kit exactly as I stated. You have to already own the hardware.

And for just for good measure I will state again. You need the hardware.

 

You don't need the hardware to buy the upgrade kit. And since all Traktor software is not linked directly to hardware, and most NI hardware cannot be registered, I'm pretty certain you don't need the hardware to install the kit.

Say my DJM900 for example. It falls under the category of "Scratch Certified Mixer" but the upgrade kit doesn't know what mixer I have. The mixer doesn't even come with Traktor Pro or LE to upgrade from.

Of course, you need the hardware to make use of timecode control.

 

Which is the point I'm trying to make. No need for a timecode kit if you are not planning on using timecode.

 

no, they're not (really). traktor scratch has been always bundled with hardware. you can buy it as traktor scratch a6/10 package nowadays. OR - if you have a certified hardware device - you can upgrade to traktor scratch with the 99$ upgrade kit as mentioned several times.

of course you can buy the upgrade kit without the respective hardware - turning your 99$ scratch upgrade into a 79$ traktor pro. ^^

because timecode is not "just another feature" like an additional button or so.
and if you have the respective hardware, you get a cheaper scratch version with the upgrade kit.

 

Am I the only one on this forum that understands what this guy is talking about? Doesn't everyone here understand how he got ripped off? Not only him but there are probably hundreds of people who have. Lucky for me, I bought a TSP1 w/ADJ8 interface. However, I also don't see an upgrade path from TSP1 to 2. I have to buy ANOTHER license if I want to get from 1 to 2. I don't want another license, I want an upgrade from 1 to 2. Discokjeks, if you're reading this, I feel for you man. I have YET to have someone here prove to me that buying ANOTHER license is ok and that's just how it is.

 

I fully understand what is being discussed here. This is a typical example of some people not liking an answer and then saying that people don't understand the issue.

To go from TSP1 to TSP2 you HAVE to buy a whole new application. There is no software upgrade it is a version upgrade thus requiring a whole new application. All NI applications have to be activated in Service Centre and this requires a software serial number.

If you buy an upgrade and it requires a new serial you are still only buying an upgrade.

The issue (for you it seems) would be negated if you could buy an upgrade and somehow magically change the pre-existing application.
This cannot be done - so all you have to do is install a new application.

All the licences and serial numbers are applied to one account, your NI account.

 

photoshop, corel painter, every mac operating system before mavericks. office ... um i can go on and on about software that you need to PAY for the next numbered not decimal version. its not a rip off it is how things work

 

So if that post is true, If Makar1 chooses to buy a DJM900, he should just buy TSP2 and not use the timecode vinyl until he's ready. That way he doesn't have to pay the same amount twice.

I don't mind paying at all as long as the price is fair. I'm not trying to get a free pass, I understand IF NI is trying to go the "Apple" route by charging the same amount for the app at a greatly discounted price like they did with Logic.

 

NI aren't going down the "Apple route". There has been 2 different flavours of Traktor (not including Traktor Duo) since the introduction of the original Traktor Scratch some 8 years ago. There has been a Scratch and Non-Scratch version ever since.

What a lot of people cannot understand is that when you upgrade from the non-scratch version to the scratch version you HAVE to purchase what used to be the scratch plugin that the non-scratch version did not have.

Now there is only one executable file that either has scratch functionality or not depending on the serial, people don't like paying for the upgrade because it simply unlocks what is already present - just not usable. The same applies to the new versions as the old - you must purchase the scratch functionality as it was developed after Traktor. It's just like buying alloys for your car, if they come separately they need to be purchased separately.

The example given above of going from TSP1 to TSP2 is wholly misguided and misguiding and should be disregarded.

Hope that helps.

Karlos

 

I understand your point of going from TSP1 to TSP2. Buy a whole new license. Pay the $99 for version 2. We're done with that. Moving on...

In makar1's situation,
Scenario 1:
Buy TSP2 first
makar1 can buy a DJM900 (which is TSP2 certified) and get TSP2kit for $99, and choose not to use the timecode vinyl or cds until he's ready.

Scenario 2:
Buy TP2 first
makar1 can buy a DJM900 and choose to buy TP2 first for $99. Then the next day (week, month, etc.) decide to go with timecode vinyl, he would have to pay another $99 to go from TP2 to TSP2 for scratch functionality.

Are both Scenarios correct?

 

just an advice if you want the full software ,dont take the traktor kontrol s4 timecode kit ,because the software is not full ,you need to get traktor pro2 before if you want get full update also .

 

If this is true, I can accept that. That would be Scenario 2 in my previous post. But not according to makar1 who bought the timecode kit.

I'm still waiting for someone from NI to clear this issue up.

 

it was happend for me , i thought bought the full software when i bought this timecode kit for S4,AT MY SURPRISE NI told me thats its not the full software ,need to buy traktor pro 2 ;so be carful