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Energy level

Discussion in 'Feature Request' started by idean behboody, 11/9/20.

  1. idean behboody

    idean behboody New Member

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    Can the developers make a column in the library that indicates what the energy level of the track is?
     
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  2. alec.tron

    alec.tron Well-Known Member

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    +1 and the option to derive (and/or store, if this also entails a Energy Level analyzis...) the energy levels from/to pre-existing (custom) metadata fields across supported formats...!!!
    Churs.
    c.
     
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  3. Vinyl Tap

    Vinyl Tap NI Product Owner

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    No. Because energy level is subjective.

    instead of this, just allow Traktor to display MORE of the existing tags held in files.

    I truly wish we could edit ALL tags in Traktor, and have it update the files.
     
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  4. Almaz

    Almaz Well-Known Member

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    I agree, the computer cannot correctly determine the level of the groove, because it is a subtle sensation in the body that only a human can feel. We just need to make more tags, the ability to add our own columns with our own names, or even columns with different symbols such as stars, regulators, color, triangles, circles, sticks, etc. I use the column of the second comment for the energy level, but I agree, I want to see such an important parameter more noticeable
     
  5. radiokrishna

    radiokrishna NI Product Owner

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    I use color codes for energy levels and am quite happy with this.
     
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  6. alec.tron

    alec.tron Well-Known Member

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    That means, it needs to be done by hand (yet again, if you have it already in existing metadata...) and doesn't transfer anywhere else with the file the data has been entered in relation to inside of Traktor.
    If you're happy with this, great, for many this is not an acceptable workaround.
    c.
     
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  7. Almaz

    Almaz Well-Known Member

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    it probably depends on the type of personality) I always confuse colors and can forget what energy level what color means. I liked the system in the rekordbox, where we can write a name for each color. That is, for me, text is more intuitive than color, but these are probably personal characteristics
     
  8. radiokrishna

    radiokrishna NI Product Owner

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    My system is "Hot to Cold":
    Red = 5 (peak/hot dance)
    Orange = 4 (dance)
    Blue = 3 (ordinary)
    Violet = 2 (lounge)
    Magenta = 1 (ambient, no beat)
    I don't use green and yellow or use them for special purposes.

    But in any case, if there is a separate tag for energy, it would be very good. But how much, that's the question. Mixed in Key uses 10 levels, while Beatport uses 5. I'd prefer five, so it's easier to sort and group.
     
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  9. Almaz

    Almaz Well-Known Member

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    yes, I use a similar method, only I call it different names

    No beat, Ambient - Relax (but your name is more logical, I think I'll take it myself)
    Lounge - Slow (90-109bpm with slow beat)
    Ordinary - Light
    Dance - MId (mid groove)
    Peak / hot dance - High


    I think there is also an energy level like Power, listen to how High and Power differ
    Mid
    High

    Power

    that is, in my system I counted 6 levels
     
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  10. alec.tron

    alec.tron Well-Known Member

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    I use & need a 0-10 scale (whereas 0 & 10 are very very rarely used...)

    but, this is a 9... (careful with the speakers / ears...!)
    JK Flesh - Boundless Submission

    as well as this from a 'happier'/hyperactive place...
    https://soundcloud.com/latinoresiste/happy-colors-maldita-puta?in=happycolors/sets/twerka-dominicana

    Whereas this is a 1
    Caretaker - Date With An Angel


    And, this data exists on 22k+ of files in my library. So setting this yet again is not an option, so either there's a system capable to read existing custom metadata fields or I have to keep using silly workarounds like re-injecting custom fields into one of the few metadata fields that Traktor is actually able to read as I have been doing for the past decade...
    Churs.
    c.
     
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  11. Almaz

    Almaz Well-Known Member

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    I would give your's first track, the energy level Light (3-4), for me the energy level is the level of dance, in the sense of how intensively my body should move. You can also designate the dynamics in the tracks, that is, your track JK Flesh - Boundless Submission has the 5 level of dynamics. (if we take the system 1-5). Dynamics - it is the intensity of the sound.
     
  12. alec.tron

    alec.tron Well-Known Member

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    That's the important & subjective bit.
    I wouldn't.
    (as "Energy" for me is a combination of rhythmical structure ("danceability") and volume/texture "dynamics" [one could also argue here that the above example has no/little 'dynamics' - as in classical music theory, dynamics is the inter play of quiet/loud & slow/fast sections.. and there's hardly any in the JK Felsh example apart from the intro build up...] - and if you want to use it, everyone will (need to) define what Energy means for them for their subjective musical worlds, there's no point arguing about this... imo.)
    c.
     
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  13. wayfinder

    wayfinder Active Member

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    I use the stars for track energy, and I use them as "energy in context of the track's genre" so that i have more resolution. works well, since i don't need a quality rating
     
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  14. Almaz

    Almaz Well-Known Member

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    I'm not trying to convince you of this, everyone follows their own system, let's just talk about it :)

    as proof of my way, listen to these two tracks.

    Mid energy level with Dynamics 1-2

    Mid energy level with Dynamic 4


    If you combine rhythm + dynamics = Energy, I think sometimes it may not accurately characterize the track
    I would say that the level of dance is the same for both, but the dynamics (saturation) of the sound is different
     
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  15. wayfinder

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    One thing I've thought about was a very small thumbnail of the stripe in the multicolor palette could be a good indicator of at least the overall brightness of a track (blue means more trebly, red means more bassy, white means a bit of everything, violet means no mids, green means all mids, etc)
     
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  16. Almaz

    Almaz Well-Known Member

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    yes, that would be helpful, I use the star rating for that. Brightness, saturation, dynamics - we are talking about the same things. I suggested a similar markup system in one of my posts on hot cues requests, only for level energy into track, but it will can use and for brightness

    2. The level of energy in the track
    The new mode that I would like to see is mark energy in the track in different places. This is similar to how it is made in Mixed and key. Where the energy level inside the track is automatically determined. I think the computer can't understand the groove or the degree of saturation of the sound pressure in the track and I would prefer to set it manually.
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    https://prnt.sc/sqjbe0 - example
    https://prnt.sc/se0n1w mixed in key
    https://prnt.sc/se0o73 traktor pro 3
    https://prnt.sc/se0u5l something similar is in the rekordbox, but only applies to the light mode

    in theory, this would allow better control over the mix

    because now all the waveforms of the tracks in the deck look the same and visually they do not differ in any way in saturation or energy level. Plus, there are no colored replicas with signatures in the Traktor yet, and when I load the track, it is visually incomprehensible what it is.
     
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  17. wayfinder

    wayfinder Active Member

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    I don't know if I follow - the color of the existing waveform (at least with the correct palette) does indicate what you want, as a combination of color for frequency and size for amplitude, you just gotta read it a little differently than you would in these other programs. that's why i thought the stripe might make a good indicator, because it has that info
     
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