FILTERS - I am not impressed

I must say that the I find the filters to be very poor.
I mean I dont expect nice ones like on an EMU EXXXX but compared to my two MPCs, maschine's filters sound ****.

Anyone sharing my view?

 

i feel ya...........could of been better , but it does what i need it to.

 

view shared ! (except i cant compare to an mpc )
dont feel it that harsh on the hp and bp, but the lowpass is poor !

 

for my tastes, the filters are too safe.

sowari

 

Would be great if the xone filters from traktor were available.

 

same here.

they sound too "nice"

but that doesn't stop my creativity though!Maschine is awesome !

 

I have to agree too! The LP filter is so weak and puny. HP and BP are OK. Nothing special. It's a pity NI couldnt have used the same filter FX from Traktor, I mean the code already exists. Maybe it was some sales / marketing decision they made.

Having said that, Maschine is still a very creative tool.

 

If you're looking for a beefier filter you might want to try out the Filter FX instead of the one on the sampler page.

 

Hi Robert, thanks for the reply! Nice to see some of the NI team contributing here. So you're not all bots then. Good

Yeah, those effects are much closer to the Traktor experience. Thanks. However, what are the differences between the LP2 in the Sampler-FX sections and the LP/HP/BP in the Master/Group/Sound-FX sections?

 

The sample filters are 2nd order and based on a simpler (but CPU friendly) design while the Filter FX is 4th order and therefore much steeper - it also has a funky modulation engine

 

Thanks for clearing that up. Yeah, the modulations are great (similar to traktor).

 

I never use the sample page ones. the lp2 are nice.

 

I find most of the FX to be too traktor-based and they end up sounding very in your face, which is fine for DJ FX but not so much for studio FX. The reverbs are especially poor, no subtly there.

 

Hi Robert - could you please explain what 2nd order and 4th order mean? Thanks!

 

i think it has something to do with how many times they are being oversampled, doesn't it?

but sadly the filter in the effect section cannot be modulated via gate-synced envelope, only with an envelope follower. why not sync the envelope to the gate signal of the sound the filter lies on (only for the sound fx, not for the group ones)?

 

wel euh i like the filters in maschine because there not the same as all the others and if i cant do it in maschine i do them in cubase or abelton
but it seems like i'm the only one thinking that way

 

look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-pass_filter

so with a 2-pass filter you get 12db per octave, with a 4-pass you get 24db per octave, so it's much steeper.

 

i agree. very poor. ni has so many good algorithms and puts in something like this... .

it really seems that they made the product working but really took care that it didn't get too good (why? no competition for their other products. just because the sampler part is so basic i would never thinking of buying kontakt (i actually own version 1) just to use it instead hosted in kore, ohh wait maschine cant trigger kore. or is it that they are afraid somone could buy maschine instead of kontakt?).

 

Well my middle name is Robert so:

The order of the filter determines the amount of attenuation past the cutoff point.

Each order gives you 6db of attenuation per octave.

So a first order filter attenuates by 6db per octave.

A second order filter by 12db per octave.

A fourth by 24db per octave.

The wikipedia entry for LP filters would be worth reading

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-pass_filter

 

Not just Maschine. All the filters on NI samplers are crap. I mean really cheap sounidng.

There was another thread regarding the lo-fi processor with the same complaint. It winds up making samples sound even more harsh and digital instead of making it warm like an sp or vintage MPC. Useless!

Envelopes can be snapier too.
Real time interpolation and oversampling quality options?
Ditto for the cheap time stretching engines on Kontakt and Battery. They use an out dated elastique 1xx engine that is only meant for monophonic material.


NI needs to overhaul the sound sculpting tools on the sample engines.