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FINALLY: New instrument in R4 library.

Discussion in 'REAKTOR' started by johnnowak, Jun 12, 2003.

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  1. spoombung

    spoombung Forum Member

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    It''s a really interesting piece and they're all good suggestions from Sowari.

    The pitch changes, when morphing, seem to be the overiding, dominant characteristic of the instrument.

    I think if the morpher had more influence on the balance of sounds from each sampler (and sample select as Sowari is suggesting) it would add to it's interest.

    Excellent, well done, my son.
     
  2. johnnowak

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    As for the on/off for each contextualizer, they don't use much CPU each, and you can always just kill the volume in the mixer.
    Grain Size is something that should usually be fixed. For certain types of sounds, certain sizes make the granularization work more smoothly than others. I don't really see a reason why you'd want to morph it, as the sound wouldn't change much, except it just might get a bit rougher or lose a bit of definition. I actually do have an ensemble that when morphed crossfades between randomly selected samples for each contextualizer, but by nature it requires 2 resynths modules per contextualizer, and hence its a little clunky. Plus it takes a long time to load all the samples, and I thought it provided enough variety as it is. However I could add this featuer later. Let me know if you really want it. As for setting the pitch independantly, the whole thing works by setting one range for each parameter which works for all three contextualizers. Even though the range is the same, when you morph the pitches are all different. This design allows you to get a wide range of sounds with minimal settings. I do not plan on changing it.
     
  3. sowari

    sowari Moderator Moderator

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    "As for the on/off for each contextualizer, they don't use much CPU each, and you can always just kill the volume in the mixer."

    for me it is much quicker to switch on/off when i want to quickly reduce the activity/denseness of the sound. so i will put on/off switches in the version i will use ;-)


    "Grain Size is something that should usually be fixed. For certain types of sounds, certain sizes make the granularization work more smoothly than others. I don't really see a reason why you'd want to morph it, as the sound wouldn't change much, except it just might get a bit rougher or lose a bit of definition."

    i have to disagree with you on this one,(although for certain sounds you are right :) ) have a listen to ugh atma in the library for an example of grain sizes that can be changed with a sequencer and/or LFO. morphing grain sizes are great with drum loop samples.




    "I actually do have an ensemble that when morphed crossfades between randomly selected samples for each contextualizer, but by nature it requires 2 resynths modules per contextualizer, and hence its a little clunky. Plus it takes a long time to load all the samples, and I thought it provided enough variety as it is. However I could add this featuer later. Let me know if you really want it.

    i need to be a bit clearer on this one. i meant morphing the selection of samples on each contextualizer.
    and yes, it does provide enough variety as it is :)


    "As for setting the pitch independantly, the whole thing works by setting one range for each parameter which works for all three contextualizers."

    yes i know


    "Even though the range is the same, when you morph the pitches are all different. This design allows you to get a wide range of sounds with minimal settings."

    i agree with you. i would just like to have the ability to switch off the pitch morphing for each contextualizer and use a knob to change the pitch.

    "I do not plan on changing it."

    fine ;-)

    john, in conclusion i just want to say again that this is a great reaktor .ens if anything it is too good. some of my suggestions (like the on/off switch) are to make it easier to make the sound simpler as fast as possible.

    but i do really like this as it is.

    sowari
     
  4. johnnowak

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    Glad you like. :)

    Just uploaded another very very simple distortion instrument. Just a Mix knob and a Type knob.

    'Simpldist'

    Next week im going to be putting up a massive routing ensemble so you can use all your existing effects in very interesting and randomly controlled ways, and then I have another resynth-based instrument coming that will be quite exciting for rhythmic loop manipulation.
     
  5. sakabeat

    sakabeat NI Product Owner

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    i can't understand why it doesn't work for me???

    i read the MUSTREAD.TXT and i followed the instructions but all the "actual" parameters are frozen on 0.is this normal?

    the begin morphing button doesn't change the sound at all.....(all "actual" are on zero)

    it seems the samples are trigered but,the start position doesn't move,the sample position doesnt move too....(the global clock is running,of course)
    i think the sample position is frozen on the 1st grain an doesnt move at all....
    the actual speed is frozen on zero too...

    i toggled on/off several time and with several combinaisons....

    i noticed that when i hit the mute button on the instrument all the parameters go to -127....

    i tried the .ens and the .ism and they do the same.....

    do i miss something?
     
  6. sowari

    sowari Moderator Moderator

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    it's just like waiting for a bus. nothing for ages and then 3 or more come along at the same time ;-)

    seriously though, i caanot download "simpldist" i get:-
    "unauthorized access"

    then i tried "download link to disk" and i get "error" in my
    download manager. ?????????

    sowari
     
  7. johnnowak

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    You have to hit morph before turning on the audio...
     
  8. johnnowak

    johnnowak Account Suspended

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    I donno what the hell that would be. I deleted the instrument until I figure out what's wrong.
     
  9. dcoffin

    dcoffin NI Product Owner

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    ...

    <<Next week im going to be putting up a massive routing ensemble so you can
    use all your existing effects in very interesting and randomly controlled
    ways, and then I have another resynth-based instrument coming that will be
    quite exciting for rhythmic loop manipulation. >>

    Well, at least I"m excited! ;-)
     
  10. sakabeat

    sakabeat NI Product Owner

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    like i said i read the MUSTREAD.txt and i followed the instructions...
    1-switch power off
    2-load the .ens (or .ism i tried both)
    3-load soundfiles, switch loop on (i tried loop off)
    4-hit begin morph (i tried to hit several time)
    5-turn on global clock and power
    but still can't have it to work...(??)
    i tried with drunk walker & with retrigger
    all "actual" parameters are frozen on zero
    i tried to switch power off again,hit begin morph again,switch power on & several other things but nothing works....
    the sample position still doesn't move & all actuals stay at zero...

    any idea?
     
  11. johnnowak

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    I just uploaded 'Recontextualizer 1.2'

    Anyone having trouble go download that. You still have to read MUSTREAD.txt, but now the ensemble is much more forgiving of any errors in the loading process. All you need to do is tap the pitch and speed controller knobs now, and toggle the audio on and off after loading a new sound.

    I also uploaded a new macro 'Loadbang' which works like on the from Max/MSP.
     
  12. johnnowak

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    Oops. Quick fix. Up to 1.3 now. :)

    That should be the final one.
     
  13. 3phase

    3phase Forum Member

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    hi,
    sounds interesting...but i cant open the unzipped files on my mac...even the text file seems to be corrupted or strange encoded somehow...
    any ideas how to open them?
     
  14. sakabeat

    sakabeat NI Product Owner

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    Sorry to say that John but1.3 still doesn't work here...

    but now,when i toggle power on/off it updates the "future" parameters (in 1.0 it updated nothing) all "actual" parameters are still on zero...

    Arrghh.....
     
  15. johnnowak

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    Er.. what's your system?
     
  16. sakabeat

    sakabeat NI Product Owner

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    WinXp sp1 (dx9)

    Athlon 1900
    512 ddr
    SB audigy
     
  17. johnnowak

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    Hm.. go try Blackdirt and see if that works for you.
     
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