Finger 2 -> 2 fx at once locks 1st effect?

I am experimenting with The Finger, and the problem I have is the following:

When I press a button > effect plays
> When I press a 2nd button (While still holding the first button) > 2nd effect plays

When I release the buttons > the sound does not turn back to normal but the 1st effect is still playing, like its frozen. Only the panic button can return sound back to normal.

So everytime I have pressed 2 or more buttons(effects) at a time one of the effects will be stuck with only the panic button available to turn the effect off.

Buttons are mapped to my controller, I have tried all modes, toggle, gated, CC, Midi notes...

What's the cause of this, and is there a workaround or setting?

 

I get the same problem sometimes too. Only a midi kill (panic) can stop it. It appears to me to be a bug. Any help from someone at NI?

 

No-one else with any insight on this? Or can someone test this on his config? Otherwise I'll send a mail to support, perhaps indeed a bug..

 

Have been talking to support about it. The way we try to to it indeed does not work, you basically need to use the finger in a different manner.

I had to setup a miditrack with send midi to (in my case) master>TheFinger so all midi played through this track will be sent to The Finger to trigger the fx. For this the midi track needs to be armed to receive midi, you can set it to only receive midi from the controller you are using. Then insert a midi clip and draw notes to automatically trigger the fx, or just press a button on your controller which sends a midi note message, not a midi cc message. This way you can do the same thing withouth the issue mentioned above. You do have to use a seperate armed miditrack which might not always be ideal, but that's basically the trick to do it.

I did request the above way of doing things as a feature request, hopefully sometime they can make it possible aswell. Untill then the other way will do the trick.

 

I have never experienced this. I can push 10 notes if I want. Some FX are multis anyway. All the notes are mapped to keyboard over 4-5 octaves.
You say you push buttons?
I assigned only twisters and whatever pots/buttons on Finger to midi. But NOT notes. Maybe there is your problem?

 

Hey gang, I've been experiencing the stuck note issue as well and it's been driving me crazy. Fortunately I believe I figured out why its doing it and have a fix for you. (at least for using it in ableton)

To summarize: the finger works fine when you trigger it with a musical keyboard, but when you try to use midi buttons and trigger more than one effect it falls apart. To me it would be highly useful to be able to use buttons instead of keys, because I could set them to toggle mode so they stay on, allowing my hands to be free to tweak knobs. It also would make it easier to label the knobs so you know what effect is where, rather than glancing at a big row of keys and trying to hit the right one.

So anyway, some people have posted is that the problem is with people trying to use buttons, and that its only designed to work with a keyboard. Well thats only have true. The software doesn't actually have eyes to see whether the thing you're pounding on looks like a piano or not. It doesn't care. All that it wants to see are the note messages that a keyboard sends, which you can simulate easily with the right midi controller using buttons.

When you press a key down it sends a note on message at a certain value and when you release the key it sends a note off message at another value. The buttons are getting stuck because they're only sending a note on at value 127 and then when pressed again another note on at value 0. So they're never actually sending a note off like on a keyboard, which is what the finger wants to see to turn off the effect. So the solutions here are to program your buttons to send midi notes and program them to send note off messages just like a keyboard. Even my beloved BCF2000 doesn't have this option with midi notes, so you might need to use something like midi translator to stagger the note on/off messaging when toggling buttons. Fortunately in Ableton at least there is an even easier solution. Rather than hitting the configure button on the plug in and mapping all the effects slots to buttons, don't map anything and just set your midi controller as the midi input device for the finger, as if it was a keyboard. (make sure the buttons are sending note messages though). This seems to work fine and I've had no stuck notes happen since I set it up this way, even though the controller I'm using is technically not sending note off messages. Again, this will work fine in albeton, but you might need to go the translation/ note off route for another host.

hope that helps
-jj

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