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FM8 sound trigger problem

Discussion in 'FM8' started by Formosus, Jul 2, 2016.

  1. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    I made this wav file to show this problem and in the file you hear the same sound twice. First is when the midinote is at the very start of piano roll (I use fl studio) and second is half beat of the start position. Sound uses fm8 own reverb which is turned 100 % wet.

    So in the 1st sound when the midinote is at the very beginning of the piano roll you hear this clipping sound at the start of the sound and the second is how it should shound meaning that the sound should have little fade since it has reverb. This problem started when I had to update my computer I have new cpu and motherboard now, but I also have the latest version of FM8 so I'm not sure which causes the problem, my hardware of the update ???

    Anyways if this can't be fixed I can't use fm8 anymore since it doesn't play the sound as it should play. Another wierd thing is that every sound that comes after the half beat also sound as they should so this problem only occur when the sound is at the very start of piano roll.

    I have also tested FM8 with simple sine wave then put reverb 100 % wet and this same problem occurs so I'm quessing that what happens it that somehow the clipping sound comes from the original sounds before it plays 100 % wet version.

    Another wierd thing also is with my kick sounds (which I haven't put sound example, but maby later) is that the attack fade time is 0 %, but when the sound is at the start of piano roll it fades in so it's like reverse problem now, but the same thing happens there too if I put the midinote later then it sounds as it should sound.
     

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  2. LBH

    LBH NI Product Owner

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    Do you have free space before the first beat in your song? Else try make that..

    Perhaps the first note is not on beat. Be sure you get the start of the note in the part.
    I assume you have a kind of "Catch long notes" activated in your DAW that make you hear a sound even if the note is not on beat.

    If this is'nt it, then i have no idea, what's going on. So hope this helps.
     
  3. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    yeah it has nothing to do with what you suggest. the first note that is on beat makes this clipping sound and off the beat like halfbeat or more then it doesn't happen. I've have one project file where I have expoerted this same sound 3 years ago and it then didn't do this thing.
     
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  4. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    I made this second example where I used only 1 saw in Operator F and reverb 100 % wet and as you can hear and see from the file the on beat version has this clipping sound at the beginning before it goes to the wet version. to me it sounds like the FM8 plays a little clip of dry sound before it then goes on to playing it as it should sound in the example "off beat" The off beat version is slightly off beat and sounds exactly as the FM8 should behave with no clipping at the beginning at all.
     

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  5. Formosus

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    I just tested fm8 with the lates updated version on my second computer with fl 12 and it has the same issue so this to me seems that the problem is in the FM8 not in my computers hardware which I suspected for a while untiln now. I'm 100% sure that the problem is not fl studio since I have used FM8 from 2004-06 in FL 6 and now FL 12 and it has never done this before. So please fix the issue so I can use it again :)
     
  6. LBH

    LBH NI Product Owner

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    I think you need to send the FL Studio project file to NI technical support to solve this.
     
  7. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    I have given all information to anybody to replicate this it's simple problem no need to send anything to anywhere.
     
  8. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    any help anyone ????
     
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  10. Summa

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    Without knowing the sound it could be everything. I'd try to set the operator key sync setting to on.
     
  11. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    it's very easy to test. just put like normal saw in f operator so the wave has enough color. Then put fm8 own reverb 100 % then put 1 note on 1st beat then this happens very simple. has nothing to do anything else.
     
  12. Paulocks

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    sounds like an audio buffer issue to me. Often when there is an issue either with first note either missing or clipping it is caused by audio buffer settings being wrong. Make sure FL studio is using you own audio interfaces asio drivers and not the fl studio own ones or asio4all.
     
  13. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    there is no settings I can change to make it stop and I have right settings for tha I'm 100 % sure. I acan only change the ms buffer time and sample rate which also doesn't do diddly. This problem started with my new motherboard, but like I said it's also occurs with my other computer so there is some codiing issue with the latest update. I 'm pretty sure that is the problem not anything I have done or haven't done.
     
  14. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    Bump
    they could make new updates available to fix the issues otherwise this pluging is useless at the moment :/
     
  15. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    well it's been half a year and still no explanation, I quess the updates for this synth has been cancelled.
     
  16. Summa

    Summa Sounddesigner

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    So you expect the reverb to keysync?
     
  17. Formosus

    Formosus NI Product Owner

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    yes like it should be
     
  18. Summa

    Summa Sounddesigner

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    I'm not an fx specialist, but never heard of that feature.
     
  19. Paulocks

    Paulocks NI Product Owner

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    Plug ins like reveals Spire allow the reverb effect to be sync'd to the host and some reverb units and daw plugs offer the same,this can help clean up the mix less artifacts etc. Key sync'd I have never heard of.
    The problem you are describing sounds like a common issue in some setups. I had it happen when i used to have a creative labs sound card and it would either miss the first note of a compressed track i e kick or when you use reverbs or delays that need a fair bit processing. I found it was worse when trying to use a badly chopped sample through a delay or reverb so it would cause lots of artifacts and would clip. I solved it mostly by making sure all sample were properly zero'd. Try putting a small gap at begining of effected track or starting the song with empty bars. it could just be plain old clipping to so make sure all levels are good, with in the plug in your mixer tracks and your effects tracks amd master.... but also you pc's main volume out. I used to have to turn the volume of Korgs MDE effects compressor or it would do this only ever on first note of track... weird
     
  20. Paulocks

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    oh does your pc or sound card have any kind of limiter built in? like a volume protection this also could be a problem