1. IMPORTANT:
    We launched a new online community and this space is now closed. This community will be available as a read-only resources until further notice.
    JOIN US HERE

for the SP 1200 effect you have to pitch down/up?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Old_School, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. Old_School

    Old_School NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    429
    Just curious, to get that SP 1200 sound as close to the original as possible you have to pitch up a sample, record it, apply the SP 1200 preset to the pitched up sample then pitch it back down the number of steps you pitched up with? Something like that? Where would apply the filters?

    Cheers
     
    Old_School, Aug 10, 2012
    #1
  2. BangerzenMasch

    BangerzenMasch New Member

    Messages:
    16
    Good question! Was thinking the same thing myself just the other day. Not sure if that is the procedure though. But having read hundreds to thousands of pages on Maschine lately, I am definitely no expert! :lol:
     
    BangerzenMasch, Aug 10, 2012
    #2
  3. djdsk

    djdsk Forum Member

    Messages:
    234
    HI guys i had some success with the mpc60 setting and sp1200 like this .


    Use a software to pitch up your sample as that way you will keep the samples in a key , if you pitch on a turntable up it probably ok for drums but you may pitch it up out of a key .

    I record the sample and use recycle , in recycle you ca pitch the sample up about 4 semi tones . Then save it and put it into maschine and then pitch it down 4 semi tones . I love to use the mpc60 setting on break beats that i sample .

    Any way hope this helps in some way !
     
    djdsk, Aug 10, 2012
    #3
  4. solidwon

    solidwon Forum Member

    Messages:
    52
    That's how the sp1200 behaves... I always found the pitching to be hell on transients so I sampled drums at the desired pitch and pitched samples... Of course kicks sometimes sounded better pitched...
     
    solidwon, Aug 10, 2012
    #4
  5. Old_School

    Old_School NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    429
    Just curious if this was NI's intention as oppose to just one-click-bam there you go. I believe originally people sampled a record pitched up (sped up) to the SP 1200 then pitched it back down to play. Curious if there was a magic number to pitch up to. All in all the desired effect was a "grittier" sample, which pretty much defined Hip-Hop beats for a decade or so.
     
    Old_School, Aug 11, 2012
    #5
  6. brivaldo78

    brivaldo78 NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    198
    The more pitching the more the effect basically. Plus 8% (about 1.3 semitones roughly) would be considered the normal max though as this was as far as a set of Technics could go. A lot of folks will however used 33's played at 45, which is a much more significant shift (26.666%), which equals approx 4.4 semitones.


    This technique will be helped immensely by adding iZotope Vinyl (freebie :) ) to the set-up, as part of the difference was the increase in mechanical noise of the recorded sample.


    Hope this helps
    B
    :)
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2012
    brivaldo78, Aug 11, 2012
    #6
  7. solidwon

    solidwon Forum Member

    Messages:
    52
    The original intention was to maximize the meager sample time on the original piece, in this instance, it's to use it to a more dramatic effect as sample time is not an issue. If you really want to take it a step further, remember that the original sp only used mono samples....
     
    solidwon, Aug 11, 2012
    #7
  8. djwaxxy

    djwaxxy NI Product Owner

    Messages:
    1,510
    Yep the pitch method wasnt just used on akais it was used on all samplers of the time it was due to the fact you only had a few seconds of sampling time to play with.
    Not like now were theres no real ristrictions except for the size of your harddrive.
    I had aload of akais 950/700/1000/2000/3000xl i had emax,roland,yamaha in fact ive still got my fully speced akai 3000xl,yamaha a4000 and at the time they were the best you could get and were industry standard any studio you went in had the akai 300xl because it was reliable,had a brilliant time strectch,editing ,multi outputs and had a hd record function were by you could record and master on the akai 3000xl (sorry for going of topic lol)

    I thought the akai emulation on the maschine was just to add that crunchiness to the samples the record speeded up replay at normal speed would work the same even if you didnt click the emulation mode on or off.

    When i did bootleg remixs back in the rave days i used the record speeded up trick for vocals i had a old techinc deck that had a 78 rpm function on it so id plug that into a little numark mixer take the outputs out to the akai record the vocal,edit it,repitch it to the correct pitch,keyrange the edited samples.

    Its also great for josh winx slow vocal type effects.
     
    djwaxxy, Aug 11, 2012
    #8
  9. noiserot

    noiserot Forum Member

    Messages:
    1,864
    noiserot, Aug 13, 2012
    #9