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Gigastudio 3.0 is RELEASED!

Discussion in 'KONTAKT' started by bryanedds, Jan 16, 2004.

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  1. bryanedds

    bryanedds New Member

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    I was really thinking that GS 3 was never going to come out. But here it is.

    http://www.tascam.com/press_release.php?pid=25

    This will probably replace Kontakt for me. But, I plan on purchasing Absynth when it finally gets stable... Don't know. It'd be great if NI could just stick with synths and leave the sampling to Tascam.
     
  2. RockMaestro

    RockMaestro NI Product Owner

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    GS3 looks pretty cool, I must say.

    What I hope this does is make NI get Kontakt up to speed.
     
  3. steff3

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    Hmmm, perhaps Kontakt can replace Giga in some areas, but Giga cannot replace Kontakt. Giga is nice for big sample libraries - but still is no sounddesign tool like Kontakt is.

    And do not forget it is software - Kontakt v2 will come before Giga version 4 (with the speed of Tascam at least one can be pretty sure. And when it comes to customer support seems that Tascam can even learn from NI - wow!)

    Best,
    Steff
     
  4. bryanedds

    bryanedds New Member

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    Well, maybe it could be great for both products! Unfortunately, Giga 3.0 still does not implement the VST interface, so it is going to still monopolize resources. But, with Kontakt getting more competition, this could be a great inspiration for NI to allocate more of its budget to Kontakt, thus making that even better! Plus, their practice of charging for bug fixes under the facade of meaningless "feature upgrades" may halt as well.

    Looks like a bright future for everyone!
     
  5. dorism

    dorism NI Product Owner

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    bah no DXi... sorry Kontakt is still king! :D
     
  6. CadeBryant

    CadeBryant NI Product Owner

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    On Tascam's site, it says:

    Streaming samples - only GigaStudio allows you to load samples over 4GB, for the most realistic instruments possible

    Correct me if I'm wrong......but Kontakt claims unlimited sample size based on available HD space. So, if your PC was powerful enough, you could stream way more than 4GB of samples with Kontakt - thus invalidating Giga's claims.

    Even if that weren't the case......there are versions of Windows that support up to 64 GB of RAM. So a Kontakt user could theoretically load up more than 10 times more samples than Giga can support - without even having to resort to disk streaming.
     
  7. CadeBryant

    CadeBryant NI Product Owner

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    An addendum to my last post......

    If you're willing to spend big money on an Itanium-based PC and the 64-bit version of Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition.......then you could theoretically access as much as 512 Gigabytes of samples - all in RAM!

    See http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evaluation/sysreqs/default.mspx

    I'd like to see Gigastudio touch that one!

    Then again, we might have to wait until a 64-bit version of Kontakt is released in order to take advantage of all that memory. (Even still, I can't help but fantasize about the kinds of awesome samples I could create with that much memory available to me).
     
  8. bryanedds

    bryanedds New Member

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    Actually, I think you might've read it wrong. Giga can stream samples that are up to 4 GB _each_. The total amount of MB in samples that Giga can stream should be, like Kontakt, unlimited.
     
  9. CadeBryant

    CadeBryant NI Product Owner

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    I believe that Kontakt is unlimited in terms of the size of each sample to be streamed. (Depending on how powerful your computer is and how much disk space you have, of course).
     
  10. steff3

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    >>If you're willing to spend big money on an Itanium-based PC and the 64-bit version of Windows Server 2003 Datacenter Edition.......then you could theoretically access as much as 512 Gigabytes of samples - all in RAM!
    >>>

    Would not be that sure about that! If you put the samples in a RAM disk and stream them from RAM disk - but most 32bit applications cannot address more than 2GB of RAM per thread.
    So you have two instances that have to support it (if running as a plugin): the host and the plugin have to be able to address more than 2 GB per thread.

    Well, free free to post your real-world results!

    best
     
  11. ghostnote

    ghostnote Forum Member

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    4gb samples

    I`ve yet to hear a instrument where the sound sustain for more than an hour;)
     
  12. CadeBryant

    CadeBryant NI Product Owner

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    True.....but if you were to take a grand piano and sample every possible velocity level, recording every little nuance, capturing the sympathetic resonance of each note, etc.......I could easily see where you would end up with an hour of cumulative recording time.
     
  13. RockMaestro

    RockMaestro NI Product Owner

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    Well, I'm not too worried how much memory I can fit in the computer, because Microsoft has already made the "No one will need more than 640k" mistake. Of course the next version of PC Windows (As apposed to server Windows) will support more ram than you can afford to buy.

    And just out of curiousity, do any of you actually have more than 64 GB of samples on you hard disks?

    I mean, you could easily if you have VSL and EWQLSO and all those other orchestra libraries. But one orchestra is probably enough for most people, and two would be a generous measure.
     
  14. Darkfact

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    Im comming up to about 147 GB of pure samples. It was a great benefit to me to work at Sam Ash & Mars Music in the past where I got hooked up with countless libraries in many ways over time.
    Funny though, because most of anything a actually use are elements I have recorded myself...
    I keep thinking, "Someday I go back and try using some of the good samples that I had forgotten about."
    --The problem with that is:
    sample searching = WAY TOO MUCH LISTENING TIME!
     
  15. Les Mizzell

    Les Mizzell Forum Member

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    ...

    Native Instruments forum wrote:


    Mars. Grrrrrrr......
    Buncha greedy thieving bastards.

    Mars had a store about 100 miles from here. Had some VERY expensive gear
    in for repair. Without so much as a phone call to me or anything saying
    "maybe you better come pick up your stuff", they declared bankruptcy and
    closed their doors.

    I lost everything. No way of getting it back. I phone their lawyer and
    asked how they could keep something that didn"t even belong to them. He
    was like "because we can"...I call him a thief and he was like "it"s
    perfectly legal".

    What about the months I worked my ass off to purchase that gear and the
    fact that I lost my ass because I couldn"t get it back?

    If I ever see Mark Begelman anywhere he better watch the hell out. Bastard.


    --
    Les Mizzell
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    “Un jour tout sera bien,
    voilà notre espérance.
    Tout est bien aujourd"hui,
    voilà l"illusion”
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  16. ghostnote

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    I believe your mixing the terms here, nomatter what instrument you sample, it won`t have samples that individually are more than 4gb
    in size or 40mb for that case.

    I think it is strange and confusing that tascam makes a point out of this feature. Othervise good looking sampler. Competition=good
     
  17. CadeBryant

    CadeBryant NI Product Owner

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    To me, it's unclear from Tascam's literature whether their 4.3 GB limit means per individual sample, or per sample program file (.gig). Also it doesn't say whether or not there can be multiple sample files that reach the 4.3 GB limit (e.g., if you could have a 4.3 GB piano and a 4.3 GB harp playing simultaneously).
     
  18. Darkfact

    Darkfact Forum Member

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    Re: ...


    Yes, there were many people that got 'shanked' from the Mars closeout especially those who placed money for layaways and still had them pending. I was there to the very last day at my store in Vegas and whitnessed so many frustrations from previous customers, even to the point of fights almost breaking out with the customers vs. managers.

    and Mark Begelman....
    He is one person that needs to hide for a while.
     
  19. ghostnote

    ghostnote Forum Member

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    Cade bryant, it seems you`re right.

    I`ll definetively shut up my big mouth now;)
     
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