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Solved HALF TIME EFFECT IN MACHINE

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by KHz4HGP, Feb 16, 2019.

  1. KHz4HGP

    KHz4HGP NI Product Owner

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    hi. does anyone use the HALF TIME effect plugin in Machine? If so, how do you automate it?
     
  2. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    I don't, I just play things at half time / lower octave, it's the same result with better sound and more control, I don't get why people use that.
    If its a loop i'll halftime it in the Audio Module by setting the Module's length or BPM to half.

    You automate it just like any other external Plug-In, go to the page where the control you want to automate is, enable automation recording and twist the knob.
    Example with Serum on the pic, it's the same for any external plug.
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    You can customize a Page so all your preferred parameters are displayed together.
     
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  3. skinswashdc

    skinswashdc Well-Known Member

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    I use cable guys half time. You can also get half time from initial audio for $9.99 US Dollars. Put it on your main sample or main melody.
     
  4. KHz4HGP

    KHz4HGP NI Product Owner

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    thanks fellas. i routed it correctly but now i have a bigger problem. when i bounce the finished track down it sounds like staticky garbage! what gives? what should i do? Routing issue maybe?
     
  5. KHz4HGP

    KHz4HGP NI Product Owner

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    nevermind guys. i solved it. i had to drop the sample rate when i exported it.
     
  6. StarSMASH

    StarSMASH NI Product Owner

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    huh......does dropping the sample rate help when you stretch the track to a much slower bpm? I realized that when i stretch a sample to a bpm way lower, it gets "grainy"
     
  7. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    No, it makes your export have a ton less quality. 44100hz is the standard, lower than that and you lose frequencies and sound "lo-fi".
    Stretching has a limit, if you abuse it will always sound grainy, some algorithms are better than others though.
     
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  8. skhm

    skhm NI Product Owner

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    Where is this "Half Time Plugin"? Don't seem to find it. Is it like a synced delay of some sort?
     
  9. skinswashdc

    skinswashdc Well-Known Member

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    Get the plug in. It's more flexibility from creative standpoint then just changing the octave. Go to pluginboutique, and search for cableguys halftime. It's $12 I think.
     
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  10. skhm

    skhm NI Product Owner

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    Oh I thought thi swas some hidden feature in Maschine
    I was looking to double or divide by 2 the speed of patterns/midi clips in Maschine, and saw this thread
     
  11. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    While Halftime does play things in half time as the name implies it also pitches the Audio to half (an octave lower), It's and Audio fx, not a MIDI Fx.

    There's no way to double or half MIDI/Patterns in Maschine, unfortunately... this is one of those small things that would make the library and expansions 100x more useful for me.
    https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/half-double-time-patterns.315397/
     
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  12. skinswashdc

    skinswashdc Well-Known Member

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    Give this a try. Take your main melody or chords. Have one group for your melody/chords with no halftime. Duplicate that same group, but put halftime on your main melody/chords here. So you have one Maschine group with no halftime on it, and another Maschine group with it. The halftime version is for your verse. The other is for the chorus (without the halftime).
     
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  13. D-One

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    I admit I was baffled to why people used HalfTime instead of just lowering the octave of the sample and slice it. Since then i bought the plugin since it's cheap, I like using it when I'm lazy, it's a fast easy way to change a sample a bit and keep it moving.
     
  14. skinswashdc

    skinswashdc Well-Known Member

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    Halftime is pretty common in music production right now, and can do a lot to track. So many things you can do with it.
     
  15. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    yeah ik... Thats why I gave it a shot, from seeing everyone from certain genres using it, especially younger folks, I dont like being that old head guy :D
    Even tho i can do what it does manually it does save me quite some time, its a fun plugin to mess around with.
     
  16. skinswashdc

    skinswashdc Well-Known Member

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    I don’t look at it as a old or young head. It’s more of matter of staying up with the latest production trends and adapting to the times. I’m always open to learning new things, regardless if it’s young or old head.
     
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  17. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    Sure. It's a US term so maybe I got it wrong, so, question:
    Is an older person who always follows all the latest trendy stuff still referred to as an old head, or people only apply it to older folks who stick with older techniques/styles? I thought it was the second option.
     
  18. CeeMusic

    CeeMusic NI Product Owner

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    Which do you think is the best?
     
  19. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    Best stretching algorithm? In Maschine?
    Depends a lot on the type of audio you're stretching and end goal, assuming you want something that sounds as natural as possible (as i understand it) the "Formant" Mode would be the best as it tries to preserve timbre/color, it's more suited for melodic content rather than percussive. For Drums / Perc it's "Stretch" Mode, personally I just try all and see what sounds better. In other software DAW's the different algorithms have more obvious purpose names like Live or Cubase. On drums I just rather slice than stretch, this way it's sounds fully natural without messing up the attack transients but some people like the weird artifacts you get when stretching... It's all very relative nowadays.
     
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  20. CeeMusic

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    So there's no real difference between the time stretching algorithms in Maschine and Ableton, or the MPCs or FL, etc.?

    And what's the best way to eliminate or greatly reduce artifacts in melodic content? Would it be better to just chop the melody instead?