Have Both REN and Maschine now my thoughts..

For that you could buy let's say a used MPC1000 or s.th. like this, load your beloved drum samples into it and practice without any computer for ours...
In direct comparison I have to say that the MPC 1000 pads (I didn't touch other MPCs) felt MUCH more comfortable than the pads of my Maschine!

Does anybody know if NI improved the pad quality on the MK2 controller?

If the Akai MPC Studio has the same quality pads like the MPC 1000 I think I'm gonna try that out over the new MK2 Maschine.

 

^^ better pad quality is one of the improvements in 2.0

 

@noiserot, not sure if you were warned already but that's enough with re-posting that same list.

 

I think he reposted it because Sowari told him to provide sources for the stuff he has been posting...

 

Okay then. Still, that's about enough. Most of the list seems accurate from what I have seen reported by users but we don't need the list on every page.

 

Great argument

 

and i am glad he did..

there are some strikingly condemning arguments there, and while Maschine is far from perfect..something at 3x the price should be..

 

To be honest the things listed wouldn't really bother me, but saying that the things missing from Maschine don't bother me either.

I was a bit shocked by the reasoning behind not having real time swing. To paraphrase, it was basically "that's how we've always done it and we're not changing now".

 

yep very dope, what about the resampling is it like maschines?
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think about it, maschine will be three times the price before all of rens 1.0 features are implemented. you will have gone through the mk1, mk2 and maybe a paid up date or several judging by the feature to ratio time measurement at this point, and on top of that all the while you will have been buying komplete and a bunch of soundpacks. Do the math on that.
the cost of the ren starts to not look so bad, especially since I know for a fact some folks will get it for closer to 10 than 12 and even under 10 after it's been out for a bit.

and truth be told there is prob going to be a mk3 with a crossfader on it and many other physical differences before all of those features are implemented so in the end you will have spent a pretty penny on the maschine……………….(or at least i will have)

 

I don't really agree with that argument. Komplete is an optional separate purchase and can be used without Maschine. No one who has the mk1 has to get the mk2. Either way, if you already have mk1 you still have a choice of the Ren, keeping mk1 or getting a mk2. You can get a mk2 for less than half the price of the Ren. You already spent what you spent on your mk1 regardless of which you buy.

I think the price is a little high on the Ren and they should not have bundled it with a soundcard. But if they are going to charge that for it they need to get it stable to justify the cost. When you spend that kind of bread you want it to just work.

 

when I spend any amount on software I want it to work, but unless we are talking about reason then we are talking about software bugs no matter which beatmachine we are talking about.

my point was that if you love making music and find that the ren works for you that's really whats important. looking at a musical instrument like it's about maschines price vs. the rens price is the issue doesn't make any sense to me from a musical standpoint cause we're not talking about identical instruments. I'm not saying price doesn't matter to musicians cause we are usually broke, at least I am usually broke and we scrape for what we need, but if I needed a guitar I would not get a totally different guitar just because it was cheaper and also had strings… imho it makes more sense to compare an expensive maschine to a mikro or a ren to a studio when it comes to price.

I haven't bought any packs, and not including komplete 8 I've still bought a mk1 and a mikro, and if you do that retail it's expensive, and if you intend to get a mk2 that's expensive as well, there are allot of people who will fit into this catagory.
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so I think if you're on the maschine platform and you want to get the features in the request forum, that you will spend ren money in the end if not more based on nis time line, this is not including packs or komplete.

 

My point is with a higher price comes a higher expectation. Price is always a valid consideration when choosing to buy competing products. If what the Ren offers over Maschine is worth the difference in price for your needs then it's worth it. Just for me personally the price is stretching it. I would still consider if it was solid but I won't consider it until that is the case.

 

"I haven't bought any packs, and not including komplete 8 I've still bought a mk1 and a mikro, and if you do that retail it's expensive, and if you intend to get a mk2 that's expensive as well, there are allot of people who will fit into this catagory."

since its being worded like this think about the people who went from mpc to mpc, expensive as hell man. I lost more money getting rid of the 2500 then the money i've spent on maschine.

 

i agree if that's the route you went, but I love my 2500, there are too many things it can do that my other beatmachines can't to get rid of it and it's a piece of hardware so it's a little off comparison

 

Hey dongrammar, not trying to get on your case but I did notice you have been getting rather defensive about Ren's faults and limitations being exposed, and I also noticed that you mentioned in the MPC forums: http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=1497179#p1497179

So how are you connected to Akai?

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Anyway, the list just keeps on growing:

- Ren doesn't even output MIDI as a plugin (source: bobbybland)

- Ren can't even export a program out to separate sounds. You can't get anything other then a single wave file for an entire sequence and .pgm. Ren forces you to manually copy and paste separate tracks for each drum hit that you want separate, which is extremely tedious and a complete workflow killer. (source: bobbybland)

 

I really don't get what that guys trying to do. First he complains that he only gets one wav file for the whole sequence. Then when Jahrome explains that you can assign the different drums to different outs he complains that he doesn't want separate drum tracks.

So what exactly does he want? He seems to be contradicting himself in the two posts.

 

He explained it in the same thread:

The Ren only exports Tracks so unless you copy the each sound and separate them out manually you will not be able to export the sounds individually.

 

Well, it's the same for maschine. If you export a group you will get one wav file. To get separate wav files you need to either create a pattern for each individual drum part, or solo each drum part one by one and export them all, or route them all to separate outs and track them into your daw...

 

I haven't used the Ren so I'm not sure about this but I think he is talking about the sounds to midi notes that Maschine has? He talks about separate tracks, in most DAWs when you use the sounds to midi note feature in Maschine, after you've drag and dropped the pattern from maschine into your daw you can split by note pitch which creates a separate track for each sound in the pattern. The end result being that you get kicks on their own track, snares on their track, etc. If your daw has bounce in place this is even more useful as you can track all of your drum parts without having to arm a track and record the output live as you would have to do using audio outs. There are other benefits to doing it this way. This is how I track from Maschine in Logic.

 

Nope. You can export separate sounds for each group at once in Maschine. No need for soloing or creating extra patterns or anything like that. This is not the same thing as drag and drop bouncing, which Ren doesn't have either.