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Hawtin is promoting flawed DJ software!

Discussion in 'General DJ Forum' started by PaulDaly, Nov 29, 2008.

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  1. PaulDaly

    PaulDaly Forum Member

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    Ritchie Hawtin is promoting Traktor Pro but the software is not fit for professional use due to the well known issues. He will know it is not fit for use but he is still promoting Pro and will still be getting paid for doing it!

    Not good!
     
  2. c242

    c242 NI Product Owner

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    Hum, sorry, a lot of people are getting paid to promote products which may not be perfect. That's called 'advertising'. ;)
     
  3. reuben1804

    reuben1804 New Member

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    What are the problems?
     
  4. Project333

    Project333 NI Product Owner

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    oo....

    but, i don't found any bug on my T.S.Pro setup.
    it just me or what?

    its perfect for me...
    and i'm satisfied....
    :D
     
  5. gpr

    gpr NI Product Owner

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    No software is born perfect .... it's normal for the market today (where everything is fast) release an "imperfect" software. TPro i think is a good software, and i believe that future versions will be improved.
     
  6. iamscoby

    iamscoby NI Product Owner

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    I smell a vendetta. Your other posts indicate you have not yet purchased Pro. Have you at least demo'd it? And how did you get on? Ritchie Hawtin promotes it, and uses it. I am willing to bet he has a machine with the right specs - the man knows what he is doing.

    I am guilty of ranting about issues but you know what, I SHOULD HAVE READ THE MANUAL PROPERLY. And so should you. EVERY Single stability issue I have seen posted on this forum for TSP is discusssed in the manual. If you go the way of Scratch, then read the Audio 8 manual - it's very clear about potential performance issues and why they might occur. Now, I have issues because of the shared memory load that comes with TSP integration. NI are totally up front about this.

    You are leaving threads on this forum that aren't filling me with the sense that they are written by the informed. I will even go as far as saying that that most of the issues cited on this forum are posted by the uninformed. Myself among them. But I got my finger out and worked it out - which is exactly what the manuals are for. True, I would prefer that TSP was not such a resource hog where RAM (system and onboard video) is concerned. And yes, I expect NI to work to reduce the RAM allocation issues that shared memory presents but THESE ISSUES ARE NOT SURPRISES NI has documented these very clearly.

    As for the design 'issues' people are citing - well, if you bash Pro without running with the demo first, who is to blame? I accept you may have tested it already however.

    There are features that I would like returned but if you buy someting that does A, B & C when you test it, don't expect it to do D as well once the money comes out your bank account.

    Use your voice and ask for change in a positive way. If you are concerned about TSP and how it works, articulate the issues you have in a constructive way, rather than having a 'go' at Hawtin or anyone else.

    Seriously, the manuals are not there because someone at NI has a fetish for writing them. I learned my lesson - and it's about time other son thisforum did as well.
     
  7. TeLLy

    TeLLy NI Product Owner Extraordinaire

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    Bwahahahaha this from someone who doesn't even own the software yet. Come back when you're ready to contribute.
     
  8. J.R.

    J.R. NI Product Owner

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    I think there are too many issues even for an 1.0.

    for me the show stopper #1 is that you can't start in a track like you could do in t3 or ableton. I use this often to build up things (http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75209)

    the sync system also cause some audio bubbles/artefacts sometimes, it's just not very reliable.

    I really like the concept from TP, but I can't use this software at the moment due to too many experienced problems.
     
  9. Macaque

    Macaque New Member

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    I'm interested to hear what the 'well known issues' are? Traktor Pro is working fine for me :/
     
  10. djquartz

    djquartz NI Product Owner

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    Everything is based on workflow and nature of use. Combination of 3rd Party hardware/software doesn't help issues as well.
     
  11. djquartz

    djquartz NI Product Owner

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    There was a duplicate post, but it should be displayed now.
     
  12. signaturex

    signaturex NI Product Owner

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    have you ever heard concepts -- I have all the vinyls. Only a thousand of each disc were made.

    Im sure richie hawtin (is that howyouspellhisname:)? ) is used to working with flawed, glitchey, poorly designed, and underdeveloped tools. Overcoming obstacles is what gives an artist his or her character.

    Not to say that pro is such, im NOt even running it yet Im still sorting out and building language in traktor 3. hahahahaha which is sort of getting there.

    Take for instance the current trend in global warming. Proof negative that we live in a perfect world. Oh ... uhm yea and to pay me to post in NI forum make it more perfect or well.. here I am ammending a double negative.
     
  13. dj mutley

    dj mutley NI Product Owner

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    paul what are the flaws you found............


    comp specs please.
     
  14. DJ Greenie

    DJ Greenie Forum Member

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    As much as Hawtin may be paid to promote TPro, it is what he uses in his sets... and without the crashes or problems that others seem to experience.

    I'm not having any problems with TPro either. :)
     
  15. DiscoNova

    DiscoNova NI Product Owner

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    I'm not having any special problems either; everything I've seen can be more or less "worked around".

    I believe that the people who are having problems are the ones whose computer is not used solely for deejaying... ie. they browse the net with it, do some other work, etc. There is a reason, why pros often have a machine they use for "work" and another for "other stuff".

    For example, a drummer wouldn't start using his drumset as a breakfast table (it's shitty when I'm in the middle of the set happily drumming away, and all of the sudden you catch a bloody flying breadcrumb in your eye ... thanks Sonor for ruining my set - not to mention my eyesight)
     
  16. J.R.

    J.R. NI Product Owner

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    can't join in. I like the concept form TP much, but at the moment there are too many issues for me to use it.

    just curious, do you guys do mostly A-B mixing? Maybe you have a different workflow than the people who have problems.

    a real show stopper (based on live experience with TP) for me is this:http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75209

    the sync system seems to have some flaws, which introduce "bubbling" sounds sometimes.

    see this:
    http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74653

    my computer is excluded as a problem, tested it all and I have to say that I'm skilled with geek stuff.
     
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  17. Fresh519

    Fresh519 NI Product Owner

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    Can anyone actual 'confirm' that he is using TPro live cause last I heard he wasn't.
    Seems at the TPro release party he was still using T3.

    and Actual proof = live pics or video
     
  18. Thomas @ NI

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    You are stirring the pot about a product that you don't even have first-hand experience with. That's forum trolling and I have to ask you to stop it.
     
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