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Help me reproduce this piano sound

Discussion in 'KONTAKT' started by BIF, Aug 14, 2021.

  1. BIF

    BIF NI Product Owner

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    Hi Everybody!

    A lot of new age music is done with pads, reverb, and delay, and so forth, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to replicate one particular kind of "wet piano" sound.

    Where to hear the sound:

    Option 1: Diane Arkenstone: "Through the Veil", from her Aquaria: A Liquid Blue Transcape CD. The piano sound is very prominent in this song from 1:52 until about 2:50. This recording is probably the best representation of what I'm looking for, so here's where you can hear the song, and this link starts the song right before that passage. link
    Is this an acoustic piano? Or electric? I hear reverb and some other kind of ambience, but I am not even sure what kind of sound to even begin with in Kontakt.

    Option 2: Delerium: "Daylight", from the Poem CD. The first 45 seconds or so has some kind of a wet piano. Or maybe it's just "damp", lol. Link
    I think this one may be an electric piano with reverb added? But where would I even start?

    Options 3 and 4:
    Enigma: "The Piano", from the Voyageur CD. This piano starts in at 0:25 and gets louder and a little bit more representative of my "mind's ear" around :55. Link at :20.
    This one is "less wet" than I'm looking for, but I'm not really sure what that means because I'm not sure how to characterize what I'm hearing. And there's still some very nice ambience here.

    Enigma: "Shadows in Silence" from Enigma 3. Right from the beginning.
    Link
    This one is right on the mark with what I'm looking for.

    Any ideas welcome. I'm not really asking for a patch or preset...I'm hoping to learn how to use my ear and replicate in Kontakt what I'm hearing. And if I know how to create it or something similar, well, that's the keys to the kingdom, right? I mean, then I could make that sound (or derivatives of it) in any software or in one of my synthesizer keyboards.


    Thanks in advance!
     
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  2. larson12

    larson12 New Member

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    In option 1: I guess it is acoustic piano. By the way it will take much time to understand.
     
  3. christyv

    christyv New Member

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    To understand and to get clear to this stuff we need to pay attention to our basics, like the theory of music. Theory of music is important in order to have better hands-on skills for playing piano, composing music, and improvising. Anyone who has a stronghold over theory would be able to understand music better and to learn to play an instrument quicker than a person with no knowledge of theory.
     
  4. valerianmengsk

    valerianmengsk NI Product Owner

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    Option 1: Sounds like a ROMpler piano. Potentially a Roland or Korg preset, like from JV2080 or the ancient M1 or something. Terribly bright, lo-fi, and "digital" for my tastes. I'd bet money on it being the M1 piano patch, it sounds pretty close. The reverb is likely from a VST, plus a pinch of compression on the piano. I think that's all. Maybe EQ a bit to taste, too.

    Option 2: electric Rhodes piano, could be from a more modern rompler or a VST, add reverb and tremolo to taste

    Option 3: "The Piano"
    An acoustic piano with reverb. You might have to layer reverbs to get it sounding that thick, or maybe just compression. It might have a vintage chorus or delay effect on it, not sure. For sure it is squashed flat, hahaha (and yuck)

    "Shadows in Silence"
    this one is a bit hard, the sound panned far right? Electric Rhodes piano, though it is subdued/lo-fi and tweaked enough that it could easily be an imitation from a VA synth like Massive or a very old ROMpler patch, and it just has some reverb, probably band-pass filtered or EQ'd to sound like it is

    edit: I may as well add, it takes very, very few hours of tinkering with post effects to learn to decipher what you're listening to as far as post-processing, that much is super easy, the harder part comes from learning patch design, like what kind of synthesizer used, what relative EG, filter, and oscillator settings must have been used, in order to know how to reproduce what you hear, or simply make a close enough imitation, that definitely takes more hours of practice to learn, and practice with sound design, not music theory

    it really helps a lot to have a really good headphone monitor, and I mean something that doesn't suffer terribly from generating its own resonances/reverberations, like Beyerdynamic's DT770pro and the AKG K553. Most others add too much of their own reverb and that hides details and nuances from you. The discontinued Pioneer HRM7 is also extremely good for analytical listening as it hides little, Pioneer actually applies acoustic treatment inside of its cups, which all monitors need. DT770 is also acoustically treated on the inside. HRM5 still sells, it might be a good alternative to the HRM7, but I have no experience with it. The Ultrasone Pro1480i is another one, but that one is a little tricky to use, you can ask me about it if you pick one up, but note that it is open-back and provides no isolation whatsoever. I cannot remember how good the Shure SRH840 and KRK KNS8400 are, probably worth considering. Lastly, there's the ATH-M70x, but it has a fragile headband, otherwise it would be one of the best monitors around.

    Then there's the AKG K702 and Sennheiser HD600 and HD650, but the Sennheisers are very low sensitivity and pricey in comparison to what most folks use, then the K702 rubs some people the wrong way in one way or another or several, but it is a phenomenal headphone that is like putting any mix under a microscope for deep analysis. Compressor and reverb settings and tweaks are clearest on this one, which many other monitors can make difficult to hear.
     
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