How bout a 1.0.5 update?

Yo I had to make this thread I'm kind of irritated. Why didn't they just update minor fixes like the chopping 16/8/4 and autoscrolling in the editor for when you hit the pad?why do we have to wait eons for minor stuff like that? I am going to shoot N.I my application you guys need someone like me. This is nuts. Who made the decision to just get to v1.03 and say "You know what let's just fix everything all at once and make them wait for everything." Doesn't make sense. Does anyone feel what I'm saying?
I meant to say 1.05 so excuse me I edited it.

 

even a small change in the Software needs a lot of checking and beta testing.

it is a bit like the chaos theory of a butterfly flapping its wings in one country can cause a hurricane somewhere else.

so having another small update, would have delayed the development of the quite big update of 1.1.

but i have to say, just having a choice of 16th for chopping is an oversight by NI.

sowari

 

that's all i'm really waiting for.

total sample length divided into 8 or 16 slices (NOT 1/8ths or 1/16ths!)

I'm dying to see that update thread move on from "development"

It's hard to "get lost in the flow" when I have to use at least 2-3 other applications to recreate the most common slicing method.

 

Exactly. I was thinking I would have a beast in Maschine but right now it's a cub. They have a good idea but I don't think they actually interacted with people that actually use mpc's, Roland MV;s ect. I am a bit upset at NI for obvious reasons and I do think they owe us early adopters. I actually sold my mpc1000 for this thing. Luckily I still have my MPC2000. Don't get me wrong this thing has mad potential but when it begins to show is the question.

 

Agile software development: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development

"rapid delivery of high-quality software, and a business approach that aligns development with customer needs and company goals"

 

Why do you think they owe you anything?

ew

 

Isn't that what happens when you pay someone for a product? Or did you get yours for free?

I'm half-kidding. I get your point, but you have to admit that a certain product experience was promised, and it has yet to fully deliver on that promise.

You can't list "sampling/slicing" on a MPC-style product in the age of ReCycle, etc, and then only support the least desirable method of slicing. You have to know that your users are expecting functionality as good or similar to other samplers/slicing software.

 

Yeah...may be 1.04 update for MIDI OUT and Retrigger mode in host applications?
I m afraid that Kontakt update took 8month to public beta.
and Battery took 10months.

 

Those were also complete rewrites to make them native 64 bit. The changes to Maschine for 1.1 aren't half as extreme as those were.

ew

 

well i really hope that update arrives soon for you guys..

i had to return mine to the store when i realize the real situation,,that was almost 3 months ago..as a mpc user there is no use for me to have a 600 euro device just there waiting for an update that only god knows when will arrive..i was lucky to think fast to make the decision on the following 3 -4 days otherwise the store would reject the maschine ..

yes for the moment is very cool if you work inside maschine and that's it,,because as plugin its buggy..but having lots of hardware at studio it would be a waste just to have it there waiting for this update to be able to integrate maschine to the studio

however,,once the update arrive,,and once im sure it works as it should be,,i may get it back again

 

For the simple fact I feel like they tricked there customers into buying a half completed product. Really I already feel like a beta tester from working with this thing. Now like I said it has potential but it's like looking on the brighter side of a purchase of a product that was rushed off the product line by NI maybe to keep up with motu dropping bpm. I could be wrong about that but you must agree that the product was released before it was finished proof is in the f1 f2 buttons. So yeah I do believe there should be some kind of free sound pack from say urban arsenal included in the 1.1 update that is taking an eon to complete. I feel bad for people who have nothing but this product to produce because it is not finished. I am making do because I have other things. I think I can speak for a lot of people in this forum when I say "I just come and check to see if the 1.1 update is passed development stage" It's a huge update because the release of the product was not ready. I sound all mad lol I'm not it's just how I feel.

 

How so? The forum went live a month before the release, and Phil, James and I were really specific in pointing out what it could and couldn't do at the present.

They were announced at approximately the same time.

What- planning ahead for some future implementation? Would you rather buy a new controller because they thought of something cool, but there weren't enough buttons in the previous controller without having to use another shift key?

They've stated from the time the features for the 1.1 update were mentioned that it wouldn't be around until late summer. They've got eleven other main products in the producer and guitar categories, plus the DJ stuff and the cut down versions to maintain- do you seriously think they can drop everything else and work on the 1.1 update?

Your choice.

ew

 

They've stated from the time the features for the 1.1 update were mentioned that it wouldn't be around until late summer.



bad news.....

 

Actually, that's not quite correct; I'm sorry for misquoting myself. I said it would be out sometime this summer, and that's as much of a timeframe as I knew.

ew

 

LOL - what about buying a washing mashine?
Shall I check all forums to get to know that the washing mashine I'd like to buy isn't able to wash?

A nice idea so to get at least forum members to know about maschines pros/cons.


An update late summer....it's been 3 month yet...let's say another 3 months.
Maschine has been released - ääääääääähm 6 months to early!

And no - NI shouldn't drop support for other products just to get their 1.1 update done.
But what about releasing their stuff when it's DONE? In the other hand what about employing more developers the get the job done quickly.
But no it's never NI - it's always the people crying because they all haven't read the forum to get to know about Maschines problems. The problem here is NI with their Maschine. Not the people already spent nearly 600€ for a device that should work!

It's always the same. Nobody at McDonalds told me their coffee is hot.
That's the reason why I've burnt my fingers and my mounth and am a millionaire yet

 

Do you always buy >$500 software apps that don't have demos without checking around to see what works and what doesn't?

Your washing machine doesn't have to integrate with your toaster; there's no compatiblilty issues between your washing machine and your lawn mower that will prevent either from running, etc. This isn't the case in the software world; interactions, etc. will stop other things from running. Research is a must, I'd think.

Your opinion.

Sure- they could employ more people. Remember though that the price would also then have to go up; more overhead. It's a tricky balancing act; good coders aren't cheap.

Read my first reply.

Ah- the lack of common sense and personal responsibility that's prevalent today =) Don't get me started on that topic...

ew

 

*Sigh* Look EW, I like what you do here but NI is dead wrong on this one. The product is incomplete. This isn't the first time NI has doen this. Kore was exactly the same situation except worst because after all the stink about the upcoming update we come to find out they had to rewrite Kore almost from scratch and that the update was now an upgrade that had to be payed for. Early adopters were screwed. Are we going to see the same thing with Maschine? I don't know, but I'm extreme;y weary of NI when they take too long to update their software, especially a brand new product.

There are plenty of issues that can and should be resolved before they even think about adding features. The flam issue for one. That one bug is almost amateurish in itself. Its obvious its an issue with quantization snapping, its something that every other software with a sequencer got right and NI couldn't. Its a damn shame really. Unless they are in the same situation they were with Kore, adding features shouldn't be an issue. If they are then its due to bad design. Having to rewrite a program after only one major release is pure fail.

So like the others I'd rather see small incremental updates that shows that NI gives a damn about those who support them and are early adopters. And yeah I do think NI should care what we the paying customers have to say about their development practices, because I'm sure that if enough of us rallied together and voted with our wallets NI would be all ears. I payed for the product, Iwant to see my investment pay off. That is all any of us want.

 

*Sigh* Read Phil's earlier post about testing cycles. Your intermediate update plan would take longer to get to where you want to be than doing it all at once will.

ew

 

ew, getting cranky and defensive isn't doing anything for NI, so I would recommend backing slowly out of this thread.

I think it is a great product, with a lot of potential, but early adopters shouldn't have to sit on an incomplete product for months waiting for features that should've been available when the product was released.

ew, I appreciate your remarks in this forum, but i think a more constructive tone or, at the very least, a less "shut up you f*cking babies" attitude would be a better approach.

 

This is all getting ridiculous. Maybe all the people for whom Maschine is working perfectly fine should flood the forums. I've had Maschine for a month and an half. Has not crashed yet. Are there things missing, sure. But gee, lets see, I had issues programming my old Dr-550 drum machine when I first started making music. Was there a bug fix or new version? No. People got used to their hardware's quirks and gasp even utilized them. Nothing is ever perfect. Just make music. Oh, and Ew doesn't run NI. Surely he's been critical of NI when warranted. But right now he's just trying to keep some modicum of composure and control here. Exercise patience, drink some chamomile tea and mellow out.