How bout a 1.0.5 update?

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The Maschine FAQ page and this forum went live at the same time. In both places, it was made pretty clear what could be done and what couldn't be done at the release time. Why did NI, Phil and myself do this? So the potential user could make their decision whether or not to buy Maschine based on the working status, knowing that some things weren't implemented.

To carry on in thread after thread about how this wasn't implemented and that they're owed when all of this information was made available before hand... well, I'll stop here.

What can I or anyone else say that's constructive? We've had umpteen threads with the same things being said over and over again. It will get done when it's done, and no amount of "Why can't we..." or "You owe us..." threads are going to make it happen any earlier.

Rant over,
ew

 

With all do respect, I did a ton of research on Maschine before I bought it, but info was limited because I bought it at launch! I would say ew is correct in his point about doing research before buying, but the hype on Maschine was really high and I am not ashamed to say that it took me in a bit! I still did research, albeit limited by the fact that few had even touched it and those who had were either NI People, Beta Testers, NAMM Attendee's, or Magazine/Website People, and overall they seemed to say great things about it! The only real knock I remember hearing was the MIDI support and back then I heard several people say it would be implemented in the first update. But, to be fair, I never heard ew or anyone here or with NI say that!

My point is this, a product with so much promise and hype is often not to the point where its users would like it to be at launch, and the hype surrounding it gets the most seasoned musicians to jump on it right away! So, I think your both right. ew is right about doing the research and Mezzurias is right about NI needing to step up and make it right with the bulk of its users! If NI doesn't do this they run a risk of losing customers, or at the very least cutting their own throat in future sales of Maschine. I was one of the initial Kore users (who bought at launch as well) and I can say that was horrible! NI does not want to go down that road again I am sure!

ONE

 

Are you kidding?

Especially with software, you should ALWAYS expect some problems and shortcomings with a "version 1.0" product.

No one "tricked you" into buying anything. I suspect YOU made some assumptions as to how much functionality would be in the product. That was your mistake.

You could have easily waited, downloaded the manual, and found out if specific features were available from the beginning.

I myself just bought Maschine (installing now), and I purposely waited until v1.1 was about ready because there were some 1.1 features I wanted in the product before I purchased.

 

my 2 cents.

when Maschine first came out, they may have been some hype but immediatley various forums (including this one), were flooded with people wanting to negative about it. so in terms of research, the data was there for people to read and make up their own minds.

and i have said this before.

different people have different working methods and needs when it comes to music making tools. that means any new product will have things missing for some people. to be honest, i have also questioned NIs prioritisation in terms of things that are there - including a really flexible set of fx and routing system and things that are not - such as MIDI In/Out - but then i like having the fx

personally i am glad that Maschine was released when it was which was quite soon after it was announced. that means i have had many more months of fun making music with the hard/software combination, but also using the hardware controller (with the Kore controller) for gigs.

sowari

 

Those are silly, simplistic analogies.

Maschine works as advertised. It is a groove production station, and it DOES do that CURRENTLY.

NI NEVER promised that Maschine would have ever feature and function of an MPC in version 1.0.
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How do you define "incomplete"? Was it your expectation that Maschine would have every single function and feature of the latest MPC series?

People should ALWAYS buy a product for what it can do today. If there were features you consider are "must haves" why did you buy the product already?

How about "stop whining, babies"?

People should do their research BEFORE buying any product.

 

Maschine is not really anything like a DR-550... it's software, with a hardware interface. I don't believe that anyone is really complaining about the hardware.

 

Maschine works as advertised ? So what about the great software implementation? What about the VST/AU whatever they've implemented?

This is silly - a real VST/AU works biderectional in terms of midi!

To be honest - it is somehow stable - haven't had a crash yet. But I couldn't use it completely as supposed. Stable but half the feature set!

Who is comparing Maschine with an MPC?

I don't really know what happened to some of you guys. When I go out to buy a new product I am expecting this device works as advertised!
It is not my job and not my time I should spend in doing researches!

Or let's just say - NI lied in their advertisement. Like many companys do this time!
It's more melting the cow than offering good support and complete products.

Sure I also understand that a new software product might have some MINOR bugs. But complete lack of features is not a bug.

I want to buy a product that exactly does what the company advertised!
Now - not in a half year.

BUT it is like it is. I have to agree that nowadays you need to do research on what you buy.
That is because companies advertise features they cannot fully offer. And that's the real shame.

 

I bought the product because when they said/demonstrated that it had sampling and slicing I assumed it would at least have the basic industry standard slicing functionality. Is it unreasonable to assume that a product that looks like an MPC and supports sample slicing across pads to have similar slicing functionality to an MPC? The fact that the are putting this into the 1.1 update just validates this assumption.

And IMO, the transient mode is just plain broken. It slices at random silent points as often as it slices at transients.

 

I don't know where you think I want to be. The only place I want to be is Maschine as a rock solid piece of software. Features introduced slowly over time will ensure that 1. the feature gets thorough testing by users 2. that NI has the time to fix any bugs in between releases as opposed to toiling away at whiz bang features. Yes I would love more features, sure it would be cool to have them all now, but I can wait. I'd rather they fix current issues, and introduce features incrementally.

So no I don't need these features now, and if your read the original posters message he pretty much echos the same sentiment. Less feature oriented but more frequent updates can only mean a good thing. I really don't see what the issue is here. People are requesting bug fixes for issues, is that so much to ask for? Should we have to wait until the end of the summer/next year for an update that will most likely introduce more issues?

 

I was simply stating that things can have quirks, bugs, whatever. Maybe a better analogy would be my old tx16w sampler from Yamaha. The filters never worked right. It would freeze while editing. And so on. Did Yamaha ever fix every bug in it? No. But I still used it and got as much out of it as I could. Maybe someone else can answer this, but do mpc's crash or have bugs? It's all still software driven. If Maschine crashed as soon as I started it, or if it looses sync with my host, then I can see the outrage. But then I'd wait until NI fixed it. This is just the typical case of vocal PO'd minority versus satisfied (and busy producing) majority.

 

a missing feature is not a bug.

 

A lot of the posters here seem to be. Why would we have all these "Why can't Maschine do this? My MPC does" threads otherwise?

ew

 

Ah- no. All it says is that they're listening to user requests.

ew

 

im a mpc user

i decided to buy maschine not for replace my mpc,,but for expand the posibitiles in the studio,,

i buy it because i read the documentation available in the NI promo website,and i went to the store for check it out, i watch it in action (stand alone of course), everything looked great

check midi ports,,fine,,and of the back of the box it says:

"extensive midi capabilities to control other hardware and software"..

that's what it says IN THE BOX..

so any of us would think that the device does,,just that

but this is not true,,at the moment it just not possible

"extensive midi capabilities to control other hardware and software"..

very difficult to missunderstand that statement i guess..

yes,,i too believe that the product was rushed before be ready,,

maybe for some of you working with it as stand alone its fine,,but for those of us working with outboard gear this is a bad joke

of course we have to do our own research before buy,,but hey,,u dont expect to find a faulty midi in the latest toy for NI right? specially if it you looking at this mpc type interface with midi ports built in

yes great possibilities with maschine,,but after months of release this still are "possibilities" and no facts

it is not fair because something so basic in any midi gear its not working since the beginning, and this its not clear on the information,,

i was lucky to be able to return it to the store after being doing the installation and the registration of the software etc..u know why they took it back?

because the didnt believe me what the problem was,,they though i was totally lost ...until they check it

 

The controller works as a MIDI controller for your hardware and software. Right?
You might call the advertising deceptive, but it's true.

ew

 

ok,,yes,,the midi controller of maschine can be used as midi controller for other hardware/software..as a stand alone...ok

but that is not what NI is selling for 600 euros right? because you can have that 50% cheaper with a mpd32 for example

"extensive midi capabilities to control other hardware and software"..

it just not there

 

1) You're also including the library, etc. with Maschine
2) Play a MPD32 for a while. Then, play with Maschine. There's a world of difference in how the pads and controls feel.

I gave my MPD to my nephew. I'm glad he likes it...

ew

 

why hadn't this store checked Maschine properly? stores should know how the products they sell work.

sowari

 

Yeah in a perfect world. You know this is a waist of time. NI will never admit that they put this thing out early lol. And as far as the research I think everyone researched what was available. Point blank hire JJOS he'll fix everything lol. It's just funny to me you make something like an MPC and leave out what made the mpc dope... Well not leave out but half do and say "We'll get back to it after the release". Real talk moderators I know you guys are here to keep everything kosher but come on man don't insult our intelligence. We where sold a concept with mad potential. A beta. Software companies shouldn't hide behind updates. See what Microsoft did! They have everyone excepting this crap lol. It's like buying a new car without an engine and the car salesmen says "Well you should have researched the car" lol you expect certain things. "Lost in the Flow" that is a bold statement for something that is going to take till 1.1 to work more like the machines before it. It is a great drum maschine as of now.

 

Hey,

I totally agree that Maschine has been released way too soon, with lots of features missing, period.

What the hell, how do you expect us people to use a tool where you can't load a kit without its pattern ? You expect us to use ONLY AUDIO output? Oh yeah i remember, you know a lot of professionnal workings only with audio. Well, in that case NI should have only produced an audio tool, and never spoke about extended midi.

Yeah, i found that type of advertising deceptive.

K.