How to fix Maschine's broken workflow once and for ALL.

Not sure if you understood what was revealed about the song clips. The clips are independent of scenes and can be resized and moved freely in the timeline. The song clips do not loop. You don't have to use scenes at all if you don't want. You can record directly to the clip layer and only use that. You can also just use scenes as loop markers with no patterns in them.

 

Sounds good to me!

 

so effectively, you have to use scenes to loop anything at all? ... sounding like another Maschine workflow headache already ...

only confirming my wish to continue use external sequencing with Maschine and the pressing need to sort out Maschine's DAW i/o setup first.

I still don't understand what possible advantage it is to run a secondary plug in sequencer when you are already working in a DAW anyway ... or why NI needs to force this nonsensical approach onto users. Sure it's great to have a good stand alone sequencer but once you move on from sketching an initial beat, Maschine needs to work painlessly within an external DAW/sequencing environment. Pads need to transmit to DAW sequencer tracks just like 30 year old MIDI 'local on/off' worked on every 16 channel workstation keyboard ever made ... just implement proven decades old standard MIDI technology for working with external sequencers ...

as if anyone in their right mind would sequence an entire production inside Maschine ... yet they have ported the entire Komplete sound library to exist in there, made Maschine a powerhouse editor and librarian for Komplete ... but if you want to use these feature in a real DAW channel they have made damn sure you can't ... oh FFS! ... who is paid to come up with such useless ****?

In case anyone at NI is wondering ... this is why a once keen customer such as myself has not spent a single cent with them in years. I remember years ago enthusiastically buying Komplete 8 ultimate with the enticing promise of using Maschine hardware as browser/editor for this superb sound library .. what a great idea! ... only to find they completely hobbled it's use in a standard DAW channel (features work, but only if using Maschine's joke toy sequencer) ... how utterly disappointing ... now here they are trying to sell me Komplete 11 ... sorry but I felt ripped off with KU8 and the false promise of using Maschine hardware like a Kore system .... haven't updated since ...

it would be a far more useful product if NI would unlock existing features to allow DAW integration and stop trying to create some pointless 'NI exclusive' work environment that resides entirely within Maschine.

 

No. You can still set the loop without scenes.

 

I hate DAW sequencers to death. Would never use one to sequence my music again. If you don't like pattern based hardware sequencers like the MPC then you may not get it though.

 

I do this all the time. And have done for years.

 

so you never record an external instrument or microphone on your tracks then ... what i mean by 'entire production' is recording musicians, editing audio tracks, mixing, mastering ... things can't be done in Maschine only ... i've generally recorded and produced for singers and musicians, so every production goes through this process ... Maschine just provides foundation grooves as part of a bigger production system ... a very standard studio scenario

yes ... used hardware sequencers too ... these days I find Push2 running session view is the best pattern sequencing experience i know of ... so that's what i use with MaschineVST as drumsynth/sampler ... still find it handy having some linear recording facility available too for tracking song length performances

 

I use "real" instruments on most tracks, whether DI'd or miked, and vocals on a fair few too. It is all possible (even a drum kit once, albeit with just a couple of mikes in carefully chosen positions), it's just a very different workflow. And one that, overall, I prefer (but hope to be much better sooner rather than later).

 

How did you comp the vocal takes? All that type of stuff seems too convoluted to use Maschine to do it IMO, but I admire your ability to workaround what I see as Maschines glaring limitations.

 

In a nutshell, I record different phrases/parts to different Sounds and also use Sampling mode's recording history, so I kind of get two types of takes. Recording most instruments is easy enough to do with my Mk2 beside me, in Sampling mode with a backing Scene playing (in headphones only if I'm miked up), ready for me to just press Button 5 to start the (sync) sampling.
I then repeat as many times as I want (either to one Sound using recording history or to different Sounds) until I've got the takes and material I want.
The audio is then already in MASCHINE, on the pads, ready to be triggered, played with, sliced (useful for recording multiple takes in one go or just for splitting up a section into phrases), and eventually arranged as Patterns.

I'm happy to go into more detail if you're interested, but that's the basics of it, I think.

When I've brought it up here and elsewhere before, I've tried to make it clear that it's not an ideal workflow and it's not for everyone either, it's not even really what MASCHINE or its sampler was designed to do, but it generally works for me and I prefer it in many circumstances over more "traditional" tracking. It has its advantages as well as shortcomings, just like any approach.

 

Very cool.

 

Indeed a Push 2 with Live is a way to get this type of workflow. I never could get with Lives awkward sequencer but have not tried with Push 2.

 

Lives awkward sequencer is light years ahead of Maschines. Tbh I don't find it at all awkward either...

 

Yeah, I think you're in a minority here, @b-righteous.
I agree that it's well ahead of MASCHINE in a lot of ways and I don't find it awkward either. Suppose it just depends how you use it and what you expect (just like anything).

 

Probably am the minority, but I have heard many others with the same complaint. Indeed the sequencer is more powerful and full featured compared to Maschine. Still not sure if version 9 with Push 2 would make me like it.

 

Which complaint though? I'm not really sure what you mean by "awkward". What don't you like? Not that you should like it or anything, just curious.

 

Think about what the song clip thing actually is, it's another layer of complexity. You have an idea in your head and you can't just press record and have the workflow make sense, you have to stop and think about the song layer. It's completely an obvious band-aid to approach to something that just needs to be linear. Again, Ableton did it, they can make it like Live.

 

Sounds like live is a better choice for what your trying to do.

 

I am here to tell you what my thoughts are about fixing maschine, and you're basically telling me to just forget about it and use something else. That's weak.

 

Standard procedure. Welcome to the Maschine forums....and Skins.