How to make TP2 sync work like TP:

I wanted to share this with you if anyone's interested, I've seen a few threads with people having this problem
Ok so sync on the Traktor Pro, you could just double tap it once you have loaded the track to quickly get your bpm to the master so you could then beatmatch by ear if you wanted where on TP2 once you turn it off it will reset back to the original bpm (it wont do this if its playing though)
Also on the old one you could pitchbend and the sync would turn off, where on this one it wont so if you pitchbend then want to sync you have to press it twice, once to turn it off, then again to sync it.
So here's how to map it...

1. add in a tempo sync, assign your deck, 'learn' to your sync button
2. add in a beat sync, assign your deck, 'learn' to your sync button, assign mode to 'toggle'
3. duplicate the beat sync, 'learn' to bitchbend left, change mode to 'direct' and make sure the value is set to '0'
(you may want to add a modifier so this only works when the deck is playing to stop you accidentally turning sync off if you knock it when its not playing, to do this - set the first modifier to 'play/pause' and its value to '1'
4. duplicate the one above and 'learn' to pitchbend right
5. if your using a controller like an X1 and want to have the LED working - add out, select beat sync, assign deck, then select the correct sync button from the menus (you cant learn when adding an output)

Note: I found a bug in this where if you load a track with sync on, then turn it off the bpm changes to a random bpm, but then turn it on and off again its fine, so if your not going to really turn it off dont worry about it, just be aware of it, if you are going to turn it off like i do as i dj with CD's too, then just duplicate the pitchbend one, but 'learn' to the load button for that deck and take the modifier off.
so sync will always be off when you load a track, so you press once to sync, or double tap to sync bpm but turn it off (instead of three times because of the bug)
This really should'nt happen because the tempo sync should match the bpm to the master every time you press sync, regardless of whether your turning the beat sync on or off, hopefully this will be sorted in the next update and you can then take this step off

When you duplicate these to use for another deck remember you have to change which deck you want it assigned to, especially for the modifications as its easy to forget as you cant see what deck its on

Tip: if you use an X1 and pitchbend more than you would skip forwards and backwards a beat like me, then swap them round, so you dont have to hold shift

Sorry about the long winded post, hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions just ask, and if it did help just leave a thanks because it would be interesting to see if I helped anyone or if no one cares haha

Peace
Brett

 

simply set beatsync to hod and you are done.

cheers
chill

 

ye that will work for some people if they want to play and then sync
but if you want to drop a track or acapella in already synced this wont work as the bpm will go back to the original bpm when you let go, so you would have to hold sync down everytime you want to press play which would be annoying
which also means that if you wanted to sync then turn it off to mix by ear this alone wont work because the bpm changes back
personally i just like the toggle and it turning off when i pitch bend, guess its just what im used to from the last one
but ye that will work for some people =]

 

Thank you BrettP88!

Just added those settings to my X1 and it works.

 

Remember in TSP2 you have additional flexibilty in how you sync, there are now 3 modes...
Assume you have the 3 syncs mapped as follows
\ = Beat Sync Shift Sync toggles Beat Sync
Ctrl \ = Phase Sync
Alt \ = Tempo Sync
you can get a sample Controller map here:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?p=843309#post843309


Here is what SHOULD be happening:
Beat Sync:- Pressing \ will cause Phase to jump to center and the Deck Tempo to match master clock. The sync button will light briefly while \ is pressed. Hold mode is used for \ so sync will turn on only while \ is pressed. Press Shift \ to toggle sync on. This is the only sync mode that has a toggle option. With the sync button lit the deck will track to the master clock tempo if master clock is adjusted. This is the mode I most commonly use for regular beat match mixing.

Phase Sync:- Pressing CTRL \ will center phase on the deck only. It won't match tempo and the sync button won't light up. The only mode option is trigger. If deck tempo is not already matched to master clock, deck phase will continue drifting.

Tempo Sync:- Pressing Alt \ will cause the Deck tempo to jump to match the Master Clock. The Sync button will not light and deck phase will not center. Trigger is the only mode option for tempo sync.

 

Please don't confuse beat sync (in the mapping) with the actual sync mode. (In fact beatsync in the mapping should better be called SYNC ON)

In prefs -> transport -> syncmode, you can choose Tempo Sync or Beat Sync. Beat SYnc is the old T1 behaviour and Tempo Sync is the method added in TS4.

 

ok, just to clearify....

1. i have set tempo sync.
which is the only mode i want to use. because non of my tracks are gridded.

2. i have set the midi command "beat sync" which was formerly in 1.2.7 just called sync to hold, pressing this button sets the tempo and phase of the deck that is set to master (e.g. deck a), to an other deck (e.g. deck b).

i have also tried to map the midi commands tempo sync and phase sync, which imho should do the same.
but using these commands instead of the midi command beat sync is not working with timecode.

is this a bug?

cheers
chill

 

i know what the differnt types do and beat sync isnt exactly the same, when you untoggle if you are yet to play the track the bpm reverts back to its original bpn, and when you pitch bend it doesnt turn off, so if you then want to sync it you have to press it twice, once to turn the sync off then to sync it
shaddow23 did you get the bug?
and chill, maybe im understanding this wrong, but how can you use tempo sync or beat sync if your tracks aren't gridded? because thats what tracktor uses to get an accurate bpm?
but anyway it might be because there was a bug when i mapped the tempo sync and beat sync together

i have an update for my post

update:
* im still finding that bug with the load button turning sync off, i tried it making it turn it on too, so im still working on it, its not too much of a problem though
i believe its the tempo sync and the beat sync on the same button, traktor doesnt like it, hopefully it can get ironed out in the update but il ask N.I. about it
what i have done to get around the problem is you un-assign anything i said to put on the load botton
and changed the tempo sync from the sync button to shift and sync
so i use sync button for digital, and shift+sync for djing with CD's
feel free to try the other method out first as someone told me it worked perfect for them

 

Dude you made my head hurt...

I have tested the hell out the sync system in Tempo Sync mode and I'm yet to see a case that does not function as designed. From what you describe in your post it sounds like you have duplicate actions being mapped onto the same controls.

If you feel you have a bug then kindly do the following:
clear your keyboard mapping or Controller mappings and create a bare sample mapping that includes ONLY the mappings necessary to expose the issue you are describing. Please post your sample controller mapping up to this thread. I will take a close look at your mapping it and test it. If indeed there is a problem I promise I'll file a defect report on it and with discuss the issue with the powers that be.

Don't post your full keyboard or controller mapping up here. If they are like mine there will be 300 or more entries in it and I simply do not have the time to dissect it to find out what is going on. If its just the sync I'm looking at, there will be no more than a dozen or so entries and it will be easy to understand.
When you post up your mapping please detail (step by step) exactly what you think your issue is.

 

@phill

what do you think about my last post?

cheers
chill
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the midi function "beat sync" hold in preferences mode tempo sync is ought to do the same then midi function tempo sync + phase sync mapped to one button.

button a=beat sync
button b=tempo sync + phase sync

both buttons should do the same..right?

but unfortunately button b is not working in timecode mode.

cheers
chill

 

@chill. When you say its not working in timecode can you describe what happens vs what you expect to happen.

 

easy....
in preferences set tempo sync.

in midi set tempo sync + phase sync to the same button.
now play a track in deck a and duplicate in b. use internal mode not timecode mode for this first test.
now both decks are playling the same track at same speed and the pahse meter is also the same, when you change the speed of deck a with the pitch fader the phase goes off sync and so does the speed. now when you hit your before mapped button for deck b, you get again the same speed and the same phase.
everything is working fine as it should so far.
now set one deck to timecode raise the tempo, hit the sync button again and you will see that the speed is not synced but just the phase, imho this is a bug.

and that is why i am made this beat sync toggle workaround.

can't understand why tempo sync is not working in timecode mode.

got me?

cheers
chill

 

Hi Chill. Yep I understand perfectly now. The only problem is that when I tried it as you described it worked. Are you sure you didn't make a mistake in the mapping? Maybe forgot to set 'Device Target' for the Tempo Sync? This is the only thing I can think of.

 

hmmmmm?

try it again. raise the tempo of the deck that is not in timecode mode, and press the sync button (tempo + pahse sync) of the deck that is in tc mode.

it will not work.
i checked this over and over again.

meaning, when both decks are in timecode mode tempo sync is not working.

cheers
chill

 

Unfortunately I can't say anything because I haven't got the time to play with TSP2 at the moment.

NI should've left the sync function the way it was with TSP. TSP2 has nice extras but you must really play around with settings. Unlike TSP it was plug and play.

 

glad to hear this from a mod. this guy made my head hurt when discussing the same issue over on the DJTT forum. i eventually gave up.

some people take a little longer before they embrace new and superior technologies.

 

Okay sorry to be a pain to you all. But I decided to go back to stock Kontrol X1 mapping. Now when I try to use beat sync (supposedly this is same as sync TSP) but I still won't hold the pitch fader. Once I take off sync in the X1 the pitch fader goes back to the middle.

What else can I do? Any suggestions?

I might go and use brett's trick.

 

I was able to sort of recreate what I think shadow23 is experiencing. Although I can say it only happened a few times....it was pretty scary.

In Tpro 1, using BEAT SYNC (set to HOLD) was enough to have the BPM value change to whatever the MASTER BPM was, regardless of if that Deck was playing or not. So basically you could just load a song (that wasnt set to MASTER), and Press BEAT SYNC once, regardless if that Deck was playing or not, and that Deck BPM would then become the BPM of the MASTER.

In Tpro 2, If you only use BEAT SYNC (set to HOLD) by itself, you cannot get a Deck to change its BPM to the MASTER BPM value unless that Deck is Playing. So if you load a Deck, then press BEAT SYNC prior to pressing PLAY, the BPM value will only momentarily jump to the correct MASTER BPM value, and then revert back to its original BPM.

To rectify this (in Tpro 2) I use TEMPO SYNC (HOLD) in addition to BEAT SYNC (TRIGGER) mapped to the same button. This has the same functionallity as in Tpro 1 because TEMPO SYNC will change the BPM without PLAY engaged.

OK so everything is great right?

Well not exactly....I have noticed at certain times that after engaging TEMPO SYNC / BEAT SYNC simatainiously to a Deck I just loaded, it will produce a completely random BPM that has nothing to do with the MASTER BPM. And to make it worse, if I hit BEAT SYNC / TEMPO SYNC a second time, it will produce yet another random BPM value that isnt even close to the Master BPM. At this point it will then jump between the two random BPM values...and again neither of these values are even close to the MASTER BPM value.

In case im missing something here, and have something set as I shouldnt, I have TEMPO SYNC set within Preferences, I do not use "Q" or "S" and my GLOBAL MASTER CLOCK is always set to AUTO (Only).

I guess I could map TEMPO SYNC and BEAT SYNC on seperate buttons and this might solve the problem.....but as far as what dude was talking about in the thread....I have seen some odd behaviar...

 

"I have noticed at certain times that after engaging TEMPO SYNC / BEAT SYNC simatainiously to a Deck I just loaded, it will produce a completely random BPM that has nothing to do with the MASTER BPM. And to make it worse, if I hit BEAT SYNC / TEMPO SYNC a second time, it will produce yet another random BPM value that isnt even close to the Master BPM. At this point it will then jump between the two random BPM values...and again neither of these values are even close to the MASTER BPM value."

I've experienced this problem as well. It completely messed up my Gig this weekend.

As well I don't really see the point why you should not be able to adjust the phase when using Beatsync. I don't always have the time to get my beatgrids 100 % perfect and then I really need to adjust the phase one or two clicks... to get the beatmatching perfect. And my experience is even if the beatgrids are perfect I always find that I need to adjust the phase a couple of clicks with some tracks.

I think this is plain stupid to remove such a useful function. Just let it be the way it was, If people want to adjust the phase while using beatsync let them do it.

I'm going back to using the old version of traktor until this is fixed.

 

That is essentially the difference between BeatSync and TempoSync.

BeatSYnc the phase and tempo is locked.
TempoSync the Tempo is locked but the phase can be adjusted.

In TP1 you had beatsync. When you tried to adjust the phase sync was automatically turned off. Which meant the tempos were no longer locked either. If you changed the tempo of the master the other decks would not follow.

In TP2 BeatSync stays active and does not allow you to change phase.
However if you switch to TempoSync (in preferences) once sync is active you can still adjust phase however the tempos still remain locked. You can adjust the tempo of the master and all synced decks will change their tempo to match, while still keeping whatever phase offset you have set.