I didn’t know maschine was this incomplete

It'll be a manager's long-term strategy still playing out. I can't imagine the standard not being made open at this point. The way to win with it is making the standard open, and then implement a 'certified' status for certain products for adhering to their guidelines

As someone who plays guitar, I personally loathe having to crouch down to my pedalboard to tweak knobs, especially in the studio, being able to have all the settings available inside of Maschine and then being able to swap settings and manipulate through the footswitch and expression pedal inputs on Maschine/KK would be awesome. That in itself seems like a no-brainer; why make another piece of Guitar Rig hardware when Maschine/KK will get most people most of the way there? Two colour screens and eight knobs seems like a no-brainer. Existing Guitar Rig just needs NKS support, some new algorithms, and some IRs. Could be great with a little love. Not expecting it to steal the thunder of Kemper or Helix, but for speed and convenience, would make it worthwhile at least for getting ideas down with minimal fuss. Maschine is meant to be all about being a 'sketchpad' now after all.

Actually, being able to swap FX settings and modulation through patterns on the fly in Maschine would be really great. Could get a lot of mileage out of that live, especially if they fleshed out the looper functionality some more.
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Here's where you're mistaken in thinking that. The Komplete 6 is 96kHz. The Komplete 1 and Komplete 2 are 192kHz. "Electronic computer musicians" are going to go elsewhere than buy something that's on a par with the MK3's built-in audio interface.

 

Fair enough. You are totally correct. I am mistaken. Do you need 192khz if you are still making rinky dinky CD quality level music at 44.1 16bit of which 99% of those listening to it are listening on cheap $10 ear buds?

 

Do you ever need 192khz? Lol.. I think 96khz is already overkill in most cases. The frequency and dynamic range in that is already well beyond what the human ear can make out.

I do hear some difference in the way some synths and effects sound 96kHz... a brighter high-end or something, but I may just be fooling myself.

 

I meant particularly the Mikro and possibly the A series keyboards. I think you are looking at this as someone who knows what he wants and what he is doing. The adverts seemed aimed at those who don't and will think they are buying into something that is far more capoable than is really the case just as when they start realising some of Maschines limitations they will ponder what they are buying into.

 

Spec sheets, aliasing, oversampling, and AD/DA chipsets aren't that simple. The converters that we use as a biz are usually run at 96kHz as film and video game audio is generally 48kHz these days. As we like to run audio out and back in through outboard gear, we use 96kHz, even if the delivery medium is 48kHz.

Garbage in, garbage out. Regardless of whether it's going to be listened to on earbuds or laptop speakers, this is an important part of working digitally and not ending up with aliasing issues etc.

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If something (uncommonly) requires 96kHz then we'll set everything to 192kHz as 96kHz multiplied by 2 is 192kHz, likewise 48kHz multiplied by 2 is 96kHz, and if you were working with CD, 44.1kHz multiplied by 2 would be 88.2kHz.

Working at 96kHz will give plugins far more frequency headroom, and reduce aliasing. Some plugins are optimized to work better at higher sample rates, others aren't. Do your homework on what you're using. Some plugins cost more than others for this reason.

Some further reading: http://www.lavryengineering.com/pdfs/lavry-white-paper-the_optimal_sample_rate_for_quality_audio.pdf​

Going back to spec sheets not being that simple; some chipsets are poor, so one AD/DA chipset's conversion at 96kHz might be pretty poor compared to others running at that sampling rate in terms of latency or quality. It's generally, and I say this loosely, the higher the possible sample rate of a converter, the better it is. 96kHz highest possible sample rate on something at that price point in 2019? Probably comparatively inferior. 192kHz? Sounds more like it.

Some perspective: Behringer's budget converters will run at 96kHz, at best. Think of it like a luxury car: they tend to go faster, but even though you're not likely to be taking it to the track for a thrash around the track every day, they're generally built better, drive better, and last longer, even if you're running them at slower speeds. Generally. Imagine a car that is barely capable of going over the speed limit; means that by using it in everyday use, it's put under strain just under an average load, that's the budget AD/DA converter in this scenario. Probably latency galore, but the drivers play an important part in that equation too.

 

Higher the sample rate the better the headroom.
Ultimately the end result will be 44.1 or 48.
I record at 48 and bounce down to 44.1 mostly.

 

I see. Thanks. Useful post. So basically, if you have no intention what so ever in working in post -production work, video game or film & TV show audio, you just want to make your music and release it on spotify and soundcloud -- you are perfectly fine sticking with 96khz?

If you want to get into sound design, is there any benefit at all in working with 192khz if you were to invest into a VST like OmniSphere?

 

If you are sending out recorded audio to outboard gear then recording it back in, i.e. re-recording something, then yes. If you are distributing at 44.1kHz, use 88.2kHz. If you are distributing at 48kHz, use 96kHz. The more times you record a signal, the more chance you have of hitting problems, which is why you should work at 2x your delivery spec.

I couldn't say specifically about Omnisphere as we don't use it as we're more into hardware than software. 192kHz has it's place, some Blu-Rays, though uncommon, are 96kHz, though that's generally for mix/master work of the Blu-Ray. We work at 96kHz for sound design as the assumed delivery medium is 48kHz unless otherwise stated in the brief. Always 2x the sample rate of the delivery medium because the assumption is that you'll be sending audio outboard at some point even if it's just to run it through a console.

 

Okay, so this is gonna be way off topic, but the consumerist aspects maybe still apply. A luxury car does not mean it's better build and lasts longer. It means it has luxury features and you are paying the price tag for luxury features, which you may or may not want and you may or may not use, but you paid for those features and you got them. The luxury features are comfort features or engineering elements that car manufactures do not mass produce because there is not market that can sustain that product at that price point. So, the features in your new high end Audi SUV are going to be really amazing and cutting edge but the price tag you paid for the Audi does not mean those features will last twice as long as regular features found in a regular consumer car like a Toyota Corolla.

Back to the Corolla example. Some consumers at certain income levels and social status just buy a regular old base line Toyota Corolla because they want a regular car that gets them from point A to point B. They couldn't care less about how great they look driving around it in and they don't plan on trying to hook sugar babies. Some consumers buy a Audi because they can a) afford it and b) they really want to look great driving around in a great car.

But in the end, both are cars and vehicles that get a consumer from point A to point B which is what the main reason for buying and owing a car is all about.

(btw.. And don't get my wrong, an Audio is a great car, you pay a lot of money for it and you also should pay a lot of money to maintain it so it doesn't become a piece of ****. I dont own a Audi but I do love cars!)

 

With it being Audi, Merc or BMW they dont include indicators as standard. (Sarcasm fully intended lol)

 

The car thing is just a rough analogy really, don't take it too literally, hence the italicized "generally" thrown in there. It would be like comparing a budget entry-level car that you wanted to take off-road versus say a 4x4 that was meant for the task; one is a beast that takes it in its stride, the other is going to have a hard time and you'll see the hard time manifested in latency, intersample issues etc. But here's where the analogy falls apart admittedly: don't think of recording as a journey, think of it as accurately capturing/reproducing something. It would be like reaching your destination but you and your car (your audio!) are a scratched and dented wreck.

Analogies aside, the theorem you should look into is the Nyquist-Shannon theorem. You need to record at 2x the rate to avoid aliasing. There's nothing luxurious about it, it's just science. This is the stuff that "producer" style YouTubers generally won't teach because it admittedly really isn't common knowledge, but it's something almost everybody is going to deal with if they're recording audio.

Your perception of 'brightness' under some circumstances is a really interesting one. Put basically, if the signal is not captured accurately then the perceived timbre of the signal will change. Likewise, downsampling from say 48kHz to 44.1kHz will likely have unusual effects versus going from 96kHz down to 48kHz, or 88.2kHz down to 44.1kHz due to Nyquist and the assumed multiple of 2.

A lot of people think about audio on the computer as a virtual piece of audio gear instead of maths. The maths comes first, the maths is really important.

 

The car you drive is a psychological projection of who you are and the music you make. That's why Drake drives a Devel 16 and I drive a




(I keep callin' Kiki and she keep tellin' me to go **** myself and my ride )

 

Thanks. Today I realized I am a moron. I have had my setting in Maschine set at 44.1 all this time. :-(

 

I'd take the ride with character every time. :- )
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We all have to learn at some point, been there and got the t-shirt-- as have a large number of household names.

 

Audis are only driven by poopyholes these days A car lover aspires to a Gordon Keeble or at least a Tatra T87.........................

 

Ah so you're trendy and overpriced then ?

 

The car we get..

 

If only .......

 

I would buy the Homer simply for the superior number of extra large Kwik-E-Mart cup holders he designed in there....

 

The 2019 Homer even has a song layer in the glove compartment.