I'M BAAAAAAAAAAACK! TSP 2.5 issues once again

Hi All,

So I last posted complaining about TSP 2. Now I shall start out with some praises to NI, since I was finally able to get turntable control on channel C and D. I also love the new remix layout, with the ability to have it on one deck etc... Not going into details but it was a short coming on tsp 2.

Now here is where I feel NI, has let me down. So in order to get scratch control on the c and d decks you have to change the inputs for those channels to A and B respectively.

But this now affects how I was routing channel c input to use for recording/broadcasting my sets.
I can no longer record using this method which was ultra effective in TSP 1.

Now I am using audio 8, and if NI expects me to by audio10... forget it. I have been a loyal user since day one and it goes way back to N2IT technologies, the first to market the digital vinyl setups. So please I know what I'm taking about when it comes to this stuff, and I'm tired of always having to upgrade my hardware. 3 times I've done it and no more! ( N2It to stanton final scratch to NI audio 8).

So come on NI, treat your loyal users and stop upgrading the software to only work with the latest hardware...

So I have posted images to show where I feel NI has changed things not for the legacy users.
The top three images are the good. Meaning the first 2 are the setup offered in TSP 1, the third top image is how I was routing my setup for recording. Which I was hoping to use in TSP 2.5 (that's why it's shown in tsp2.5).
The bottom image is how they now want us to route the scratch control for decks c and d.And for recording they say use audio 10's new send and receive ports for recording ( according to the documentation I have read). I have solved this issue by recording in a separate program. But if anyone knows how to do it in TSP 2.5, I am open to suggestions. I have spent countless hours jigging and rigging and nothing works.

Also on another note why now does the pitch control lock off when using scratch control, I have found the work around to switch out of scratch mode and into playback mode. But I think that is terrible. Although I have a funny suspicion it may have to do with sync and the likes.

I'm most likely going to stick with TSP2.5 because I like some of the new features, but the basics are where I find TSP1 to shine....

Any help in this regard would be good.

 

Bump...

 

Wow maybe I should have stated my post the same way as last time, at least it got some responses.
I have heard others with the same complaint.
I finally explain the issue and no response...geez that's funny!
Great support! Love it!

Has no one used TSP 1 with two turntables and a 4 channel mixer before? I'm sure if they have they would find TSP 2.5 just as odd for the deck input setup.... anyone?

 

sorry but this all confuses me v much... so let me straiten a few thigns out... firstly this is not a help desk, its a forum with users like you, not ni support.. now we have that clear...

are you trying to use deck a + b for remix decks and c+d for vinal decks.... if so easyest way to control c + d with timecode is to go into timecode settigns and select scratch control in the timecode input section.... then if you are using a audio 8 input channel 1 + 2 for your vinyl inputs u can go to input rooting and select in deck c input 1+2 and deck d input 3+4 .. this would not effect your recordign setup.... if this is not what u ment pls explain and ill try my best to help....

also have not heard about this pitch lock error can u pls give more info.. does it affect preformance or is it jsut a visual thign in traktor? maybe u can just switch it off in the settigns....

pluss you cant blame a company for relicing new hardware... and im shure that they will not forget ppl using the audio 4 or 8 ( im on the 4 myself) coz they still relice drivers with the new software....

 

Hey thanks for responding. I guess when I joined this forum in 2006. (noticed you joined in may 2012), it used to be an area where I could find help from NI staff, not just users like you. SO now that I've cleared that up.

Please if you may refer to my diagram and screen grabs of both TSP 1 and TSP 2.5.
The input settings in TSP 1 were straight forward, input A =channel A and so on. Then you use the deck assign to make C and D to utilize the scratch control inputs from A and B respectively.

Which essentially left the channel C and D inputs on the audio 8 free to feed an RCA cable into those channels and choose either one of them to be the input for the Traktor Recording.

NOW, in TSP 2.5, they no longer have the deck assign, rather you indicate that Input Channel C = channel A. Which basically eliminates the physical use of the channel C and D inputs as inputs( especially for recording).

This has nothing to do with Remix, My turntable setup or anything else. It is the fact that TSP 1 had deck assign. Look carefully at the image I posted and you will see the difference in the inputs.

Need I explain more....

If nobody has ever used TSP1 with scratch control emulating 4 decks with 2 physical turntables.... please don't reply... Thanks!
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Quote <are you trying to use deck a + b for remix decks and c+d for vinal decks.... if so easyest way to control c + d with timecode is to go into timecode settigns and select scratch control in the timecode input section.... then if you are using a audio 8 input channel 1 + 2 for your vinyl inputs u can go to input rooting and select in deck c input 1+2 and deck d input 3+4 .. this would not effect your recordign setup.... if this is not what u ment pls explain and ill try my best to help....>quote

If I am understanding this, there is a drop down menu for deck inputs in the time code settings area, however I am only able to have scratch control for A and B in the drop down C and D don't have the option.... I will post another image of this section to help explain

 

ahh coolio sorry you did not mention in your first post that u were tryign to emulate 4 decks with 2 physical turntables...altho that does explain why you had it set up like that in images.. makes much more sence now lol... (and i have been mixing on traktor scratch since 2006, altho never joined forum because i never had a need to ... joined in 2012 so i could try help out because i found i knew alot of the answers when i looked on them.. )

i have just checked my preferances and i can select between scratch control and internal playback on all 4 decks.. i will also look into this more

hope you find a solution soon

 

Thanks fuzzy! I have found a solution to my recording issue. Don't use the recording function within TSP2.5
I also can do what you say you can do as well, but I lose functionality on other parts of the program.

I was hoping someone that has used TSP1 and understands the deck assign feature not being in 2.5.
I am satisfied with my work around, but dissapointed that I can no longer use the entire functionality of tsp2.5, because I am a legacy user and only have the audio 8.

If anyone from NI can enlighten me on why they changed this, would be great.

 

this is a user to user forum and you should not have any expectations of a response from any NI staff... particularly since your thread title is a poor choice at best..

 

Thanks Key board warrior, you have offered the best help so far. As I mentioned before, I have had NI staff help on this forum.
But from now on I will not expect help from you that's fer sure!

 

fyi, other than your mother, nobody cares who you are, that you left or indeed that you are back, the NI staff have real jobs to do, and there are better ways to attract attention to any (valid) bug or issue that that which you chose.. there are 1000's post every day, and the choice of a thread title is critical if you are really looking for help.

but, since you are that smart, you knew that didnt you

 

LOL! Keyboard warrior strikes again!

 

i doubt.

NI staff is not here on a regular, it's the user forum. that means: user help users. plus that there are some moderators but still, we're not working in the NI office.

on a side note: keep it friendly. otherwise i stop being friendly!
the remarks about the title: uhm, yes. it's not very enlightening. your posting itself was hard to read and actually i needed to read it a few times until i found out what your actual question was.

well. i'm just trying to find out if it's possible what you want to do or not, but i have to tryout myself and cant answer this off my head.

 

Thanks freshfluke, I should have posted my original email about the same issues in TSP 2. That's why I said I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaaack.

But I digress, It has occurred to me that perhaps there are very few users from TSP1, that may enlighten me.

The basic issue here is that there is no longer deck assign, and instead you have to use the input channels, in a similar way, but it affects other aspects, if you only have audio 8.
I'm not trying to do anything fancy with my setup, and explaining it is difficult. Since I have no clue as to why NI decided to remove a working function from tsp 1, I was looking for some answers.

And as far as the friendly aspect.... if there are people out there that wish to respond to my post, who actually have experience with TSP1 and TSP2/2.5. I welcome your knowledge.
For all the forum Keyboard warriors, who like to up their post count and drill me on silly stuff.
Do as your mother says, if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

If you want to close this topic, like you did the last time. I'm okay with that. Even though this time I tried my best to describe my issue, including images and everything.
Like I said I'm not trying to do anything special here, and any one who has used TSP1 with 2 turntables controlling 4 decks, would easily get what I am saying.

I had no issues with NI before version 2 came out. Actually I was always championing it over the competition. But that opinion is quickly changing.....sorry but that is the reality.... and like I said I am a real legacy user all the way back from n2it days...final scratch etc....

 

you still can setup the recording as wanted. i'll explain later in this posting.

not really. i'd put it into 2 sentences:

i'm using traktor scratch pro 2 in single turntable mode and the deck assignment has changed. how can i use the recording function again with my audio 8?

i'm only closing doubles, crossposting or absolutely ridiculous stuff. in this thread you did not go that far yet.

now to the inital issue. yes, the way the decks get assigned have been changed. do as follows:

- assign a channel under input fx send ext, e.g. 7/8
- in the recording tab choose input fx send ext as external input source.

that should do the trick.

 

Dj FReshFLuke... I do appreciate your help. So thank you, but your simplified answer....

quote<not really. i'd put it into 2 sentences:

i'm using traktor scratch pro 2 in single turntable mode and the deck assignment has changed. how can i use the recording function again with my audio 8?>end quote

So I will try again to explain using your simplified method....

First I am using 2 turntables in traktor pro 2.5 and the deck assignment is no longer available like it was in tsp1.

The method in which I have to set the inputs to get the scratch control to work on all 4 decks, requires me to put channel A in the Channel C input slot and Channel B into the Channel D input slot. Please refer to diagrams to see that setup. By doing this I can no longer use Channel C as an input for recording, since it is basically using Channel A.

Now this is where is is difficult to explain. So I will try harder.
If you can envision the physical setup on the audio 8, it goes like this.

Channel A and B ins and outs are for the turntables. so on the mixer prg 1 and 2.
Channels C and D outs are going into the mixer, prg3 and 4.

Channels C and D ins are empty and available....So I route my mixer master out into the Channel C in for recording. And thus set the recording input to Channel C in TSP1. However in TSP2, because I have told the inputs that C is A, then it no longer records from the physical input C on the audio, rather is records only channel A.

I will try your method on input fx send....but I'm at work right now. If it works great!

Again thanks for you help, you have given me a glimmer of hope.

 

mind writing my name right? after all this time?

yes it changed as mentioned.

*sigh* yes.

you have to change the channel in the rec tab and assign channel c in the input routing.

it's still not very hard to explain, actually. but if you re-read your initial posting, you'll see a lot of unrelated stuff. basically it's not interesting when you started DJing with traktor or how you like NI etc pp - that doesnt add info to the issue you had.

 

Oh shoot, I'm totally sorry I was typing fast. I did get your name right in my earlier posts. That wasn't intentional.

Man you are a funny guy.

Do you really think I didn't try changing the channel in the rec tab to channel C.

As I said before since you have to use channel A as the input for channel C... Ah forget it, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about and everything in my post is relevant.

So do me one favour, if you even work for NI, ask them why they changed the input method and removed deck assign.
Then maybe you would be helping me.

Looks like I need to contact tech support....

 

ok. i repeat it in pictures. maybe hat will help you.

 

argh.
of course i meant change from C to input send fx as said in my posting before! you dont want to get it right, hm?

 

LOL! nice to know we all make spelling errors

I'll try that when I get home.

Oh and I take it back you are a funny girl... my bad....