immidiately muting clips

When I mute long samples, these samples are not muted immidiately, they play to their ends,which makes muting absolutely senseless.

Furthermore unmuting such a track is not possible other than on start.

This behavior is not muting, it´s activating/deactivating clips, like in ableton live.


I have come to a point, where I have to say that this maschine thing is nothing like a toy for me, lacking of too much essential features every other serious production tool has in it´s basics.

It´s like reaper, great idea, but the customer has to betatest and develop almost by himself.

 

Although Reaper is, arguably, one of the best DAWs available...


But anyway, is this the standard behaviour for muting then? Do the mutes essentially get quantized to the end of the respective pattern?

 

No, the sample has to pass to it´s end. That´s not quantizing, that´s odd!
Same behaviour if you want to preview samples, the previous sample plays to it´s end, so you hear more than one previed sound. Verry annoying.

And there is another thing that is badest possible for such a "live" machine:
If you load new sounds the playing music is stuttering and the interaction with the hardware is lost. Only for that behaviour it´s a toy. Look at ableton, the music never stopps or stutters nor does the interaction end!


Reaper:

Why does everybody claim, reaper is so good?
I have bought and tested this program for weeks and all I can say is: It´s an endless beta (currently an alpha for version 4):

Mackie control support? ..very bad (I tried klinke also)
Strange behaviors all the way. For example you have some tracks with media and want to interchange media, there popps up volume envelopes for no reason.
The built-in effect are a joke.
You have to go throu endless modifications, if you want to work with it right (if possible).
BUT one of the most critical behaviours is, that for NO REASON, the Volume can reach dangerous peaks, No one of the designers can resolve that loud noise comming out of nowhere, so they made a "special" mute automation.
If such a high peak mutes your master, then you have to mannually unmute!
And you don´t know when it´s comming next!
I can go on and on..

Ok, I have to say the people in the reaper forum are verry nice and helpful and they all want to support "their" application, but I don´t want to wait for years for a propper DAW.

 

I see this behaviour as quantizing the mutes to the end of the playing sample/pattern. I agree that if there isn't, there should be a possibility to switch from immediate mute to this "quantized" mute.

That is quite irritating. However, I think comparing with Ableton Live on some fronts is a little unfair. Live has about 7 years on Maschine and Maschine isn't claiming to be a DAW or (I don't think) that the music can continue no matter what you do.
But yes, still annoying.


As for Reaper... It depends on what you want to use it for and what you expect (for $40 or whatever it is). I personally like it and think it's a pretty competitive and impressive DAW for what it can do. Though again, maybe it's unfair to compare it with the big league DAWs anyway. Time and money are big factors.

 

According to one of the videos on the NI site, muting and soloing occurs immediately.

 

I agree with Mr36, I hate this part about maschine thatbsmaples have to finish in order to stop. Is there no way around this? I feel there should be a way....

 

Right...

Let me get this straight (I don't own Maschine, I am just an interesting party).

If you mute a Sound, the last sample to be triggered by the pattern's MIDI notes "rings out" but then subsequent MIDI notes are prevented from triggering the sample(s).
And I assume if you mute an entire pattern, the same will occur and the last sequenced MIDI note will still have effect. Or does the mute only happen at the end of the pattern? Like quantized clips in Live.

I see that this is actually preferable, to be honest, on the sample front anyway. I do not like when muting cuts the sound dead. It sounds unnatural. The last played sound should be allowed to "ring out". But if the above is not how it works, then please explain.

 

Ok I agree to that point that sounds should "ring out", but what if the sample is the same lengh as the pattern?
You can not stop it playing before the whole pattern ends.

I want to bring am radio recordings in and out, but thats not possible this way.

As far as I know, there is no mute quantisation possible with maschine, so anyone has to accept, that there is no real mute.

Other than that, you CAN NOT solo a sound and then unsolo this sound while keeping all preavious selected mutes. They are all gone! :angry:

My oppinion: maschine is a toy for hiphoppers and others that want a fast way to get some beats done in a fun way, but for serious things you HAVE to think over!

The sadest thing ever about this maschine thing is the lack of mute automation, where you would be able to edit your performance later.

THAT is really a shame.

 

I find the fact that unsoloing does not retain the prior state a bit disturbing actually. So unsoloing essentially unmutes all sounds?

And perhaps a workaround might be to use the volume control to cut the sound of samples that run on longer that you want. And this could work actually quite well for your am radio idea. Depending on how you want to do it of course.