implementing eventide algorithms in reaktor?

I've been browsing through the Eventide Eclipse algorithm manual at http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/ealg3000.pdf and some of these look pretty musically interesting and also not too difficult to implement in Reaktor. Anybody taken a crack at any of these already?

 

nice! shouldn't be hard at all to do most of these.

 

They don't look all that complex to me, although they definitely look musically interesting. I'm sure a lot of careful fine-tuning has gone into their actual implementations but I don't see anything in there that should be off-limits to Reaktor.

The hardware that runs these is way outta my budget but a decent PC should be able to handle it I think.

 

I want the setting that's supposed to recreate the vocal effect al jourgensen uses. I'll go looking for it

 

it's real vague in it's explanation of how the effects are used. Perhaps an auditory sample would give you an idea of the possible effects used? I will pay a small amount of money to have an ensemble that could do this. http://www.eventide.com/eclipse/eprs3000.pdf search for the word "jourgensen" I did contemplate on buying an eclipse but I went with a new pc instead hoping i could do some effecting of signals with it prior to recording. this is one of the only effects i was interested in the eclipse for. I've never actually heard it in action to know how closely it would come to the effects jourgensen uses. I hear alot about reaktor being able to be used as effects for guitar. perhaps it could be a feasible vocal processor as well.

 

actually it kinda describes it in the algorithm forms. fuzzpreamp, moddelay+verb8 i don't how you discolorate sound though.

 

you mean the effect used in "mind is a terrible thing to taste" era ministry? or newer stuff? i stopped listening to ministry after the album released after "filth pig" (i dont remember the name but i didnt much care for it, i know they released a few more after that).

anyways, as kuniklo and rachmeil said, none of these algorithms should be very hard to realise in reaktor, but making them sound exactly the same as the original will be a bit more work. still, using these instructuions as a basic blueprint for ensemble building would be a pretty good idea, i think, especially if you are fighting with writers (builders?) block, or are just looking to get similar sounds to a piece of hardware you like but cant afford. you should be able to get a quick start on stuff like this, so long as you have a basic idea of effect design in reaktor, meaning knowing the differance between the differant delays, filters, math modules in audio rate and the whole audio processing/signal routing menus, as well as how to connect modules in reaktor. you probably wont need to wrorry about polyphony here, so that is one thing you dont have to worry about (unless you want efficient multiband FX, like the way lazyfish did the bands in his classic vocoder using polyphony, this isnt necessary for alot of normal delay FX, though). also, starting with some of the building blocks macros and moving on from there isnt a bad idea, as the building blocks library has alot of premade FX that are similar to these. also, the corecell library is good too, the filters and even the delays (esp the diffusor delay and the filters with built-in saturation/distortion) sound quite differant from the primary versions. also, the building blocks macros contain some FX using corecells that arnt included in the main corecell library (why, i cant imagine, there are some nice compressors, bandsplit filters, pitch and frequency shifters, exciters and multiband EQs, among others, that may be overlooked as corecells if you dont go thru the building blocks macros - i made an FX folder in my corecells->userlibrary folder, and saved these into here).

hope that helps, and if you start any of these projects and end up needing some help anywhere along the way, dont hesitate to ask here (specific questions like these - on how to build differant FX and whatnot - are very helpful for everyone ehre i think).

 

Oh god. Old ministry vocals, new ministry vocals, there almost the same anyways. My fave songs are "so what" "just one fix" and "bad blood" if that gives an idea of the vocal consistency i'm looking for. I'm not sure if he records multiple vocal takes to get that thickened sound, but i've seen two concerts on videos where he was obviously singing and it still seemed to have that album quality vocal sound to it. I just started with reaktor and i haven't yet started understanding building at all. I guess its kind of like the adage anyways uh. "If you want something done right you gotta do it yourself". I'll figure out how to build in time. by the time i can build a fx unit though i'm sure i'll already have a hardware unit doing it. if i wasn't so damn poor i'd be after reaktor classes.

 

ahh, i wasnt sure if he changed things up a bit. i personally love the vox in "burning inside", its sounds almost like they are underwater, i think its some sort of modulation/LFO->delay effect.

i saw them live, a few years ago, the vox sounded horrible though, everything was too distorted and you couldnt hear anything that well, maybe their soundman was high that night or something, i dont know, ive talked to other people that said they were amazing live. for the record, i used to worship their old live album/VHS "in case you didnt feel like showing up" or whatever it was called, classic (except for some of the "trippy" camera-angles/techniques they used) - only thing better IMO was skinny puppies "aint it dead yet" - i still have the VHS but cant watch it as i only have a DVD player these days. =(

 

I saw them live one time... great moment... so great I lost a tooth in the pogo : a guy hit me in the mouth !!!! :-O