Interested in Komplete 8 - but don't want to break Kore 2 compatibility

+1 on every point.

 

I forgot to say 'expandable' - the Kore soundpacks were great!

The more I think about it the more I reckon that NI has made a big mistake with Kore, especially in underplaying it's utility as a frontend/browser for Komplete. I'm interested to see who else in the market will respond.

My initial indignation has waned - but I still find it hard to understand why NI would abandon the Kore+Komplete solution. The number of users might be small compared to the market for Maschine - but talking to a few friends, I reckon the 'right people' are there.

It's no suprise why so many pros use Logic sounds nowadays - they are largely good quality and easy to browse. I personally think Komplete has better sounds overall (with maybe a few exceptions) - but I simply do not want to load every single plug in to find a sound!

Come on NI - don't drop the ball now. The market for the comprehensive and flexible solution *I* am looking for is now WIDE open. I cannot be the only one who does not really want Logic and fears wasting time and money on the Maschine/Komplete 8 combination.

 

It won't work, that much has been made very clear. The only way to add Komplete 8 sounds to Kore 2 will be to MANUALLY COPY all the settings from the new synth presets.

For example: Open the new Massive synth engine (standalone or VST) from Komplete 8. Load a new Komplete 8 preset. Now open a separate instance of Kore and an old Massive .ksd preset, it will use Kore's internal engine. Now manually tweak all the settings in Kore's old version of Massive to match the Komplete 8 preset. Then save as a .ksd.

That's the only way you're going to get the new Komplete 8 presets to work in Kore. I may end up doing it for the new presets I absolutely love. If there are too many good new presets, I'll probably just give up.

 

you might already have the presets?

* The additional synthesizer sounds are taken from the products FM8 TRANSIENT ATTACKS, ABSYNTH SPECTRAL EXPANSION, ABSYNTH TWILIGHTS, MASSIVE EXPANSION Vol. 1 & 2, MASSIVE THREAT, and URBAN ARSENAL 1 & 2, which are no longer available separately.

sowari

 

This shifts focus away from the fact that NI should provide to kore users:

1. A method of loading the updated synths into Kore, whether its as an external plugin or whatever, it doesnt matter. To exclude this capabability, is forcing kore users to use other third party instruments rather than NI's - That would not appear to be the best business decision in the world.

2. A method to convert the new maschine format into ksd format. Can't be a difficult task - and this will provide the owners of the various kompletes with the kore readiness that they paid for.

This is what every kore user should be pushing NI for - end of story.

 

Agreed.

 

I do have some already. Since there are obviously .ksd's already made for ALL the new Komplete 8 presets, I don't know why NI doesn't release them to Kore 2 owners that purchase Komplete 8. Yes, I already asked, they said they won't be made available in .ksd format.

It's really quite rude. Basically NI is saying, yes we have them, but we're not going to give them to you even if you buy Komplete 8.
:angry:

 

i suppose they would argue, that they have converted them and inserted them into the plugins.

but i do see your point, it would be nice if Komplete purchasers who are registered Kore owners, get the sounds as ksds as well so they can use them in Kore.

sowari

 

Without further details forthcoming, it would appear that we can't load in kore external plugins that have an equivalent in kore. The convertion is therefore of little or no use to Kore owners as the presets will be unusable with presets being in Maschine format.

I really can understand the frustration that is being expressed in this forum. NI could and should provide all information on the future as it applies to Kore. A knowledge base is all good and well, but important details could easily be explained now.

 

and i agree 100% that NI need to make this a priority. imho, a Knowledge Base page is a good idea, because information can get buried in Threads - as we have already witnessed with some of Keir's posts not being read.

sowari

 

We are still getting all the information in bits and peaces. It's now posted at KVR that multiple people from NI's support confirmed that Absynth, FM8 and Massive will not load in Kore at all. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4629509#4629509

I hoped it was just one support person saying something wrong. Why do we need to hear this from someone emailing with support? Why don't Keir and Thomas tell us rightaway what we wanted to know for months now?

 

Thats the same information we have seen before. Context is everything, but for sure doesn't give a warm feeling.

I will keep saying this though, with a translation program from maschine format to ksd, the problem is solved at least in the short term ... We need to push hard for this, its what will provide kore readiness

 

The real problem is new third party soundbanks. If someone brings out say a new Massive or FM8 bank in the new format Kore users could be unable to access them at all. Luckily I know some sound designers who are committed to producing their stuff in ksd format still but that will not be true of all.

 

kore/Komplete7 for life yo! who needs komplete 8. what a load of nonsense. my set up just became frozen.

not that it matters.

 

None of this is a surprise.

I have already justified Komplete 8 Ultimate in my mind and in my budget, without even considering Kontakt 5, FM8, or Absynth 5. It's because I want the other libraries such as George Duke, Funk Guitar, and many more. I've been thinking about this and I've decided that down the line I'm probably not going to need to load EVERYTHING into Kore, just those things I want to morph. I'm okay with that because of all the new sounds that are included in K8U.

As far as I'm concerned, I can still make a go of this and just stick to the Kontakt 4 plugin and library if I need to load those sounds into Kore.

Or what the hell, just switch over to Halion. I'll bet Halion will load into Kore as a VST. Haha, what irony that would be!

 

No. There is an nki but one that will load only in Kore. If you delete that nki after saving it as .ksd, and try to load what you just saved, there will be no .nki in Kore, it will be an empty instance of Kontakt.

The Kontakt 'preset' loads Kontakt stuff from the folder you loaded it from. Just as with any host. Only in a format that only Kore will recognize and load.

SO, the conjecture that Kore will fail to load a plugin just because it is (optionally) batch-convertable to a new format (Maschine) that is not .ksd, OR because of 'a new engine', is based on poor reasoning.

It would in addition mean that NI is breaking plugs for Kore purposes that work in other hosts. This is not a reasonable conclusion in and of itself.

 

I explained this to you in detail on kvr a few hours back.

If after doing the tests I explained there you're still adamant about "loading a koresound makes Kontakt load an nki from the folder you loaded it from", please do explain why I can load all koresounds for Kontakt 3 (using different nki's) and why all Korepacks except True Strike Tension come without any nki files, even if they use Kontakt, and why you can't find the GR3 settings the soundpacks use in the GR3 banks.

The way you think it works would be logical. Kore wasn't designed logical It was designed as a preset librarian, plugin combiner and morpher without its own sounds. After that they wanted to sell korepacks that would work without the plugins. So they put engines in there.

I still keep my fingers crossed that they'll make it work though.
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What do y'all think, will this give us some clarity? I mailed this to support today.

"Dear NI, Komplete 8 Ultimate upgrade pre-orders are popping up everywhere for very tempting prizes.

Before I buy it, I need someone qualified to clarify this: logic dictates that the future presets of Absynth, FM8 and Massive cannot be imported in Kore 2, because these presets use a later version of these programs then the internal engine of Kore 2. It is a known issue that for example Kontakt cannot open a preset for a later Kontakt version if it is running in Kore because the internal engine cannot read it.

So: is this solved? Is NI going to solve it? Can the Komplete 8 versions (and the updated versions) of Absynth, FM8 and Massive be loaded in Kore 2 so future presets can be added to Kore's library? User Chico Jones already claims that support told him it is not possible, NI community man Keir told us not to update if we want to preserve our workflow and also not to replace the internal engines with the updated vst/dll files, the workaround many Kore users used. I need to know if all Komplete 8 plugins will load in Kore so I can add the presets to my library as koresounds.

Please provide an answer, I have really been let down by support, half of my emails have not been answered since Kore has been discontinued and I already was displeased since I bought Komplete and Kore only 6 and 7 months before this happened.

Best regards,
Niels"

 

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You have an exception there. Why does TST require the samples? ?

 

You deleted the nki in the koresound and then saved the koresound? Then the nki will not load when you open the koresound, because you saved it without the nki.

I meant: test it the other way around: open Kontakt in Kore, load an nki, save it as a koresound in Kore. Then close the koresound, delete the nki you just loaded from the disk (not from the koresound but from the disk), open the koresound again - and there is the nki, still in Kore. Even after you restart Kore or empty the trash. That proves that plugins in Kore do not load external presets. Of course they do load external samples. I think we don't understand each other one way or the other. You use the word "content", that can both mean nki (kontakt instrument) and the samples.

What I said about True Strike Tension was that it is the only korepack I have that comes with nki's for Kontakt. You can load all kits directly in Kontakt, you don't have to use Kore for it. The nki's are in the Kore sample folder: Kore 2 Sample Content\KoreSound Packs\True Strike Tension Samples. At least with the one I downloaded, the Apple version, last month. Kontakt only looks for nki's in its libraries, you can manually put them in the Kontakt Library folder. After that, batch resave in Kontakt so it finds the samples again.

The other Korepacks I have come without nki files, what also proves the nki files are stored in the koresounds. A koresound = a preset.

edit: great, you edited your post, now no one has a clue what this is all about
let em wonder

 

Here's the answer:

Hello Niels Dolieslager,

Thank you for contacting Native Instruments!

There will be an official statement and a detailed Knowledge Base article in the
near future, please be patient for some time.

If you have any more questions please don´t hesitate to contact us via this E-Mail!

Best regards,
Andre, Native Instruments Support Team