interesting...

i've noticed that some people here feel the need to jump all over folks that have a different opinion, meanwhile they don't post links to any of their music.

often it's just a feature suggestion that sets these people off.

they are like "maschine is great as-is and it works well for me so it should well work for you too unless you're doing it all wrong which you probably are so you don't deserve to express your opinion" and for some reason they never share any of their music.

 

+1 x Infinite

 

I hate these "show me your music son" threads. They go nowhere.

 

i don't know of any photography websites where people just describe their photos but i see a lot of music websites where people only talk about their music.

call me crazy but in 2014 that just seems odd.

 

Would the quality of a persons music, validate/invalidate their opinion on Maschine?

 

Only sensitive people post their music.

 

ok now i'm gonna cry

 

So what does a persons music have to do with people expressing their opinions? And why did you start this thread?

 

Because it's stupid. I post my music to those I actually want listening to it. Not some random person I don;t care about on the internet. I have soundcloud too, and a youtube channel, a facebook page, even a website. I still keep my stuff private because I'm not really all that interested what you think about my skills or not. i have worked with many people have done a lo of tracks. People who know me, know how and where to listen to my stuff.

Maybe I'll have all of my tracks available to the public on soundcloud one day, but I'll do it if I feel like it, not because some internet random wants to start a wee measuring contest.

 

Go Overboard much?

 

No but you are insinuating that those with opinions about Maschine working for them as is, should post their music. For what? That won't prove anything.

So what happens if they post their tracks? What then?

I speak my mind. What do you want me to say?

 

@Spazoo:

I didn't really mean to be a dick. I just find these kinds of threads frustrating.

PS. I know. I'm still in this thread though I find them frustrating. A more appropriate response woudl have been to ignore it. I apologize if I went overboard.

 

If you were referring to how some of us jump on other peoples opinions, put them down for not knowing it didn't ahve a basci feature (in my case i was shocked that Maschine did not have midi import: to me that was not a feature, but a basic part of midi functionality that didn't need to be listed), and bad mouth other users for wanting extra functionality, tell them they don't understand how Maschine works, insinuate they are lacking intellectually etc...

While everyone deserves the right to their opinion, sometimes ones lack of understanding of what one is missing out on would actually show up if one could hear their music....

Everyone has an opinion, but some have more validity than others, especially if one is in a completely different genre/ workflow/ mind set/ skill level/ ability etc. For example if I came on here asking opinions on a good quality keyboard and was advised to get one my piano teacher thought was crap, I would take her opinion over any one else's. If someone thinks Maschine lacks standard features, and someone else does not, a listen to each persons music would give a greater understanding of where each were coming from.

 

That's all completely dependant on the music being produced 100% with Maschine and even then I doubt that any meaningful conclusion could be drawn by listening to someone's music (outside cases at the extreme ends of the spectrum of production skill).

Also, I know of tons of people that have very limited technical production knowledge (compared to me) that make better music than I do, but I'm way more qualified to speak on technical matters because of where I focus and what I study.

I think this notion of wanting to listen to someone's music is just an excuse to be able to dismiss someone with a differing opinion when you simply don't agree with them. It's akin to the religious writting someone off as immoral when they find out that the person is an atheist.

 

I don't understand that religion analogy. I wasn't talking about writing anyone off. I said that UNDERSTANDING two differing opinions would, be easier if one had a greater context... Meaning if one could listen to the music of each, one could make up ones own mind about which opinion had more validity to you. This after all a purely subjective argument in most cases, and beauty etc is in the eye of the beholder.

 

Also my analogy of a good keyboard is about trusting the opinion of someone whom I have respect and understanding for, not about dissing anyone else.

 

Which implies if someone makes music you like you would respect their opinion more? What if the guy who makes music you don't actually like knows more about Maschine and how to use it? Hearing someone's music doesn't say anything. For starters not everyone uses Maschine for the full production of a track. I know I don't.

Your piano analogy only holds weight because you know your piano teacher and thus can attest her skill personally. What personal information are you going to glean from random internet dude on a forum with track on soundcloud. On top of that unless they have a blog detailing their production workflow you have no idea if they actually know the tool or not.

An example. Ski beatz. He is amazing, and he uses Maschine (along with Ableton). His workflow is darn right rudimentary compared to other people out there. He doesn't even use Maschine's sample chopping functions and instead "does it old school" by duplicating the pads. There were some advanced questions at the workshop here in NYC that he and Stoni couldn't answer. We've heard their music we know they know what they are doing, but they have basic, cursory knowledge of Maschine. All that tells me is that people who make music can make music with whatever as long as it adds something that they deem valuable to the workflow. They don't complain about what is missing, they just get on with it.

What we have on this forum instead are people who whine about "essential" features that really aren;t all that essential. Would they be nice yeah, I like features as much as the next guy, but they are not essential to making music. A guy who can only make a two tone beat in the worlds most featureful DAW, is only going to make two-tone beat regardless of what they use. Someone who can make amazing tracks on a 4-track tape recorder will do amazing things on something else.

So listening to someone's music really has no bearing on their skills or opinion in relation to Maschine.

 

Which implies if someone makes music you like you would respect their opinion more?
No, it implies that it lets me infer where they are coming from. Whether i like their music or not is not the point. If i hear something that is good (production wise/ compositionally etc), it translates across genres and taste, if ones mind is open enough.

Your piano analogy only holds weight because you know your piano teacher and thus can attest her skill personally. What personal information are you going to glean from random internet dude on a forum with track on soundcloud

It also holds true if one is talking about something like for example chopping samples, somoene makes a comment about chopping and then gives an example of what they're talking about. Replace chopping samples with the plethora of other things that we talk about on hear, and I think the same thing could be true. Moreover if two differing opinions had 2 different ways of going about the same thing that would also be usefull to hear.

All that tells me is that people who make music can make music with whatever as long as it adds something that they deem valuable to the workflow. They don't complain about what is missing, they just get on with it.

No it tells you that those people don't happen to complain on public forums, especially if Ni happen to have them endorsing said product to the public.

So listening to someone's music really has no bearing on their skills or opinion in relation to Maschine.

If one were talking about specifics, and could cite an example in ones work where that technique was useful regardless of the subjective qualities of the song, it would certainly give weight to an opinion, feature request etc.

You are talking as if I'm an either or type of person. i am not. My breadth of music taste is as large as my collection of records (over 20,000), and i take bits and pieces from all of it. There is not anything I'm not open to, and as such have the capacity to see useful things in stuff that while I might not like personally, has merit creatively, sonically or production wise.

 

typically people that are trying to be recognized in the industry want to promote their music to as many ears and eyes as humanly possible, but that doesn't really exist here mainly because people will critique every single aspect of it and judge it on technical skill instead of enjoying the full body of music as whole.

 

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