Is anyone else having or had issues when saving groups with samples?

It's really starting to irritate me to the point that I have to say something about it.

I've had issues where I've dragged sounds from multiple groups to create a new group, used the save group with samples command, only to find out that when reloading the group only say 14 samples out of the 16 where actually saved. I then have to re-find & locate these missing samples that should have been saved in the first place. It's possible that because I remove the sounds from the old groups after saving (ie delete them) that this is part of the problem but remember, I delete them 'after' using the save all samples with new group command. Shouldn't it copy all sounds used in said group to a new folder and not 'point' to previous locations if that's what it's doing?

And today, when chopping up samples and creating a new group, I used the slice feature to chop up sounds, used the save group with samples command, only to find out that when reloading the group after restarting maschine, yet again, it can't locate some of the samples. In this case, those temporary files that are created when sample editing which get deleted after closing down maschine, were some of the 'missing' samples I needed. :angry:

This is getting beyond frustrating. Not to mention I feel the scan samples and remembering locations is broken in Maschine as it doesn't intelligently scan. I constantly find myself having to point to familiar locations to find missing samples or re-point to locations that I've repointed to many times before. There is no scan samples within a master folder or the like. Kontakt has a strong system for finding samples that has strangely been omitted from Maschine which in itself could benefit as it's a unit that is built around the use of samples!

Rant over. Surely I can't be the only one who has run into these issues??

Side rant- Why does maschine reset tags seemingly randomly when resaving a group with samples?? And why can't it ask us to tag a group as part of the saving process instead of us having to search for the file after saving it and then tag it??

I love Maschine but it's shortcomings are largely irritating ones that are at times hard to ignore or forget. Last dig, why can't we color multiple pads at once? Even the MPC Ren lets you color multiple pads quickly!lol

 

Saving and loading with samples works here. Are you sure the kits that are throwing up the error where saved with samples? Are you using the delete unused files option when you save with samples? This will delete any sample on a pad that is not used in a pattern.

The tags resetting on kits has been reported. Will try to look into what condition this happens.

 

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I get the error sometimes regarding groups where I used the save with samples command. And yes, I always check the delete unused files option when I save. I always create my kits and save them without any pattern data (as default states) and in most cases the samples are saved correctly. It's just every now and then I get the 'can't find missing sample' error. If as you say, it deletes any samples not used in a pattern, wouldn't this mean if the patterns empty, it wont save any sounds if I check the 'delete unused' box?

Because it doesn't happen all the time, it's hard to pinpoint exactly the cause but all I know is that it does happen on occasion and when it does, I've done nothing different to when the kits have all reloaded correctly.

 

I may be mistaken and the delete unused files could be referring to unassigned or temporary samples. Not sure if there is a bug with this either. Anyway, I never check this option and I would advise you to do the same.

 

I'll try that and see how I get on. Thanks

 

No problem.
For the kits deleting tags when you resave. Be careful not to go adding tags to kits that you currently have loaded and then save the loaded kit before you reload the version that has the new tags. I thought I could reproduce this when I realized what I was doing. See if the kit is loaded to a group then the one that is loaded does not have the new tags. Saving it will overwrite the file on disk. If you load or reload the group after you add the tags then resaving should be fine. Otherwise, if you are still having issues with this then try rescanning the user library or even reinstalling the latest update.

 

Just to give an update, I've (partially) figured out why I was having problems before with some sounds not loading up & getting the missing samples dialog.

If I load a kit and edit the sample (for example normalize it) I forget that each time you make ANY sort of edit, it creates a NEW file (temp file). I'd always assumed that each edit replaced the original.. When I went to re-save the kit, as I hadn't brought in any new samples, I bypassed the save WITH samples command and instead just re-saved the kit using the SAVE or SAVE AS. Problem is, when I normalized the sound, it created a +1 version and it's THIS file that is missing when I try to reload the kit after as it was deleted from disk as the normalized version was classed as a 'temp' file.

In most programs, if you make any edits to a sample or sound, you get an * to indicate sound/sample has been edited but not saved. Or at least a warning dialogue that pops up before saving indicating that there are unsaved 'temp' files being saved with the kit.

In my opinion this is a flaw with the Maschine software and could easily be addressed in a future update.

I hope that all makes sense... it finally does to me.

 

Ah, yes that makes sense. Thanks for posting back because this is a good one for others to look out for. If you save with samples and then do a sample edit, you need to save with samples again to save the new version of the sample.

 

Had the same problem with missing samples after SAVING GROUP WITH SAMPLES. Problem was that all samples that were already stored within the Maschine User Folder (in Documents) had been left out. Looks like a bug to me.