Is pionneer about to beat traktor and serato into submission?

Just either move to pioneer or get rid of the traktor set-up it's that simple. I have never seen a disgruntled user on the forum who hates a product, but still owns it. Traktor is not for you anymore. Stop depending on the moderators also. If you have concerns pm keir/jonas.

 

You think NI is stupid to let pioneer/serato take the DVS system usersbase. DJ Shiftee says other wise-
https://instagram.com/p/8zGbwyQXDP/?taken-by=djshiftee

 

What exactly does DJ Shiftee tell us? Using a lot of samples via turntables knobs and buttons (without even touching Traktor) could be done with any other equipment. By the way: What kind of audience would listen to this stuff all night long......?
Impressive showcase but not the real work out in the field (where DVS is vanishing in my experience).

 

You must be a controllerist who are mad they never learned the right way lol.

 

Users have invested a serious amount of time and money in Traktor and have the right to complain when bugs go unattended for weeks/months/years!

Keir and Jonas weren't the ones with the fishing rods and tasty "new avenue" bait on the end of it and we're frequently told this isn't a support forum in any case.

DJ Shiftee is sponsored by NI in the same way Messi is sponsored by Adidas.

You must be a fanboy who can't see wrong in anything NI do.

 

There is and was credibility to it but I was very honest with you in that all I knew was there as a new way of information getting back from the forum to those above. I also told you explicitly that I was not contingent on this process, merely a minor conduit.

It is not my process or my "new avenue" - but you know this, you're just stirring things up...as per usual.

I dunno. You are clearly already mad but I'm clearly not as impatient for anything to come from a process that is hopefully taking it's time to come to fruition. I'm still hopeful.

Correction. It was I that coined the term "new avenue' - not Keir nor Jonas. They did not instruct me to mention that phrase, I mentioned it in a post as it seemed like a good way to describe how matters may be handled in the future.
Maybe it's turned around an bit me in the ass - but only because I am only ever honest with the forum but I don't know anything of how this process has developed since I was first told about it and since I first mentioned it on here.

Let's put it like this. NI have clearly got a road map for Traktor. There are bound to be more products and a major overhaul of the software coming (I mean, there has to be right?). Whatever that roadmap is it isn't going to be pushed or pulled by pressure from this forum which is a tiny minority of the Traktor user base. The hope is that the information on the forum is past up the food chain.
Anyone that has been around here knows how NI works. They were never going to be on here telling us what they are doing on a daily basis - that was not what I meant by a new avenue.

For all we know this new avenue maybe fully fledged flowing stream of information that is already being acted on. Did any of you actually think of that?

Now, I fully expected, well worded and still disgruntled slew of replies to this post but bare in mind I have never blindly defended NI on this subject. I'm always honest with you - just maybe I'm still more confident in NI than some of you.

Karlos

 

Then it had no value in making a big deal about it. There was 2 threads in a very short space of time looking for feedback. There was another at the beginning of the year. Very little has changed. If NI want the inputs of the forum they only have to look at the Features Suggestions and Technical Issues areas.

As for confidence in NI, it's wearing thin. From a base level the software has changed very little since Version 1.2, improvements have been almost exclusively driven by new hardware and bugs go on for numerous releases while throwing in a few new ones for good measure each time. Some of which are so obvious they can't not have been known about and without prior warning given to users, which for a live performance platform is appalling. So confidence has to be earned and NI are far from doing that for a lot of us.

 

I am with Chris 100% on the above. If you want to defend NI about all issues that we complain about, than do so with facts and actions we can benefit from not coined terms and closing of threads.

 

I'm bored of this thread, it's just a merry go round of arguments and opinion from the same dozen people. If NI is truly as awful as some of you are saying then go use something else and stop whining.
As for the software itself, I figured out a workaround ages ago: I stuck with 2.6.8 which doesn't crash, doesn't stutter, doesn't drop audio and steadfastly insists on working in whatever environment I happen to be in.

If NI hasn't already done so they should make 2.6.8 available for download then we can all run that, rejoice at our wisdom and talk about something else for a change.

 

It's your own damn fault you wake up pissed at yourself because your keeping a product your not happy with. Welcome to the game of music where spending and losing money is apart of it. Traktor Z2 and windows 10 work great for me. Suck it up or move on. Your grown men getting in their feelings over DJ software lol.

 

You're happy with a software version that is what 2 years old? Fine. Some of us aren't, we've invested serious amounts of time and money in it, so the go use something else mantra is ******* dumb.

 

I don't have a weird and creepy attachment to a private company like yourself so I don't wake up thinking about Traktor, ever, and neither do I let it get to my feelings. I'm not in your game sorry. I paid for a product and expect it to work and I paid a premium to expect it to be invested in.

Your stuff works super fabulous. Go you.

 

Nobody made a big deal about it. It was mentioned in a thread, that's it.
There was no fanfare. A few threads were made and questions asked, that's it.

You and a few others keep beating the same drum but nothing will come until NI are ready, you know that.

Keep beating that drum if that's what makes you feel good around here.

Personally, I hope NI start announcing new mixers and software before the year is out. I'm not gonna stamp my feet for something now just because 'it's about time'.

'It's about time' is not as good as 'It's the right time'.

Karlos

 

What, precisely, does Traktor do now that it didn't do 2 years ago? We could actually expand this to include all DJ software.

But it does work. The latest update might be giving you issues but then you didn't pay for the update, did you? Don't get me wrong, free updates are great but I would hazard that the obligation ends with fixing bugs and/or issues with the original product. Traktor does still have some outstanding bugs, but I don't see any of them with the version I run and with that in mind I don't see how I could complain.
The real problem is that we have all got used to a free lunch and because of that we then start moaning when there's a fly in the salad.

 

From my point of view not a lot, but then that goes all the way back to 1.2.7, which is precisely my point. Thanks for emphasising it.

 

And now expand this to include all DJ software, as per my post.

 

I haven't looked at all software because I've paid for Traktor so that's all that matters, and when I did Traktor's 4 decks and compatability with non NI hardware, were the main reasons for choosing it over Serato. Serato now has 4 decks, is far more open with hardware than NI has been in recent times, has smart playlists, flip, elastic beatgrids, and in-line waveforms. All features that suit me. I couldn't care less about remix decks or stems. Support seems to be far better and they're still traditional DJ centric, and because they don't sell hardware the software gets the focus it needs. Pioneer has significantly lowered the entry price to having Recordbox as an option, through both much cheaper hardware and now entered the software side of things.

If I was choosing now it would be between Serato and Pioneer. I wouldn't even consider Traktor.

 

yes traktor is a thing of the past .

 

Traktor still has 4 decks and I'm fairly certain the compatibility is as it was.

Serato is no more compatible with hardware than Traktor is. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Valid points, but certainly not game breaking in my opinion. There's stuff that Flip lists as a feature that I already can do, although I don't truly trust Traktor's beatgrid 100% either.

I see this mentioned at times and I honestly don't see why it's a valid criticism.

Neither can I, likewise for smart playlists, flip and in-line waveforms. And having to buy an overpriced Pioneer/Rane mixer too.

I also hear that support for Serato is far better than is for Traktor and NI does have a reputation for ignoring people altogether. But how is Serato significantly better than Traktor, as a DJ program, for this? What are the benefits to Serato from the extra focus you say they give it?

I would be interested to see a side by side comparison of Pioneer hardware + Rekordbox (which is locked to Pioneer gear only) and similar for Traktor with regard to cost and last I heard Pioneer was being derided for charging for Rekordbox DJ at all. I started using TSP v1 in '09 and one of the reasons I chose it was because it was cheaper than Serato (software+timecode+sound box). I came to the TSP 2 party later than most, but when I upgraded my DJ kit in 2013 it was still cheaper for me to buy with Traktor compatibility in mind than it was for Serato.

And if I was choosing now I would discard Rekordbox altogether but include VDJ and Cross for consideration with Traktor and Serato. I ask again, what are Serato and Rekordbox (since you mentioned these specifically) doing that Traktor is not?

 

Valid points. Question for you, what direction do you think they are trying to take Traktor? Also, I wonder if DJ Shiftee or DJ Craze like the direction they are going. What if both of them left. That's like maschine not having hip hop producers back maschine.