Solved Is there a new update coming this month - feb.2018?

Well you are entitled to your own opinion, as are marketing departments... but unfortunately you aren't entitled to your own facts. Firstly Maschine has never been marketed as a DAW. Secondly Maschine software is a sequencer, sampler and VST host (plugins). That's it.

DAW's can contain sequencers, samplers and VST hosts, but what makes them a DAW is that they process audio tracks such as WAV files. It is important to understand that audio is processed and not triggered by MIDI (triggering audio would make it a sampler like Maschine has, of course in addition DAW's may provide sampler plugins).

Maschine is not a DAW. Argue as much as you like about it but that's a fact.

Yup.

If NI introduce new features you still have to learn them. Making NI develop stuff outside the boundaries of sequencer/sampler/plugin host just you can't be arsed to learn a DAW is kinda lame sorry. Well perhaps NI can build me a hovercar then because I can't be arsed to learn how to fly a plane? Perhaps I'm wanting the hovercar for free as well??? Sorry not going to happen.

You are right, more than a sequencer and sampler, as I said it's a plugin host as well. NI plugin's work in most DAW's as well not just Maschine. Maschine also has it's own internal plugins exclusive for Maschine (like most DAWs do). Yup it does lock into proprietary hardware controllers as well (so do DAW's, like Ableton and Push), but that does not make it a DAW, this is just hardware hooking into the sequencer.

I still want a hovercar, IMHO this is as valid as wanting Maschine to be a DAW. Just because you wish for it doesn't make it not a ridiculous wish. Besides you can easily buy a DAW to do almost everything you wish, I can't buy a hovercar is quite difficult right now.

 

Haha... I see where you coming from.
The ego thing is obviously a joke.
I ve been passionate all my life about this as far as back in 1995, and struggled a lot to get things done money wise like lots of us. There would have been monthly plan like splice years ago I would have done so much better as for some reason, never felt comfortable with cracked software except for the sake of discovering and learning. Then you miss energy, or time, or gear and all that time you need to learn and process things. in my case it is just since not so long ago I feel I have those 3 ingredients available which is great ! And obviously ego has nothing to do with it but we all have our history with music making and I wish everyone success in there path, bring great idea and innovation to the cause and even more access to those numerous talented low budget artists as we could see lately.

I think we never had some much control over creation tools but there is now so much you literally drawn... Stick to you 1 synthétique and master it, is and will always be the best way to find your sound I think. (I still didn't find mine! )

Still I love that forum and seeing all those ideas of improvements for maschine.. Keeps you going. And I think that Maschine is a great DAW ! !!

 

Mick @ NI

What is the depth of the Logic Pro x integration, before I get too happy

 

I understand what technical advantages may exist, but they just are not something I want. I do not want to be forced to have an internet connection in order to make music. I regularly turn my laptop to airplane mode and leave my phone in another room when I'm being creative specifically to shut the internet off, so it can't interfere.

 

I've never argued Maschine is a DAW. What I have said is that there is so reason for it not to develop features handled currently by a DAW. Many of it's users want this and arguably if they are to make sounds.com a success it may actually be a neccessity

I (and others) would prefer to work within the Maschine workspace if possible free or not. You wouldn't...your right not to want to ...my right.to want to. Later in the year I'll be looking properly into DAW's but should Maschine go in that direction I wouldn't discount it

It's down to NI wether it eventually becomes a DAW not me or you. Maybe if they do so it will be a disaster but then maybe it won't. I fail to understand your reluctance for NI to go into those waters when all signs are perhaps pointing in that direction.
There is a school of thought that deems it likely to be for purchase before hovercars perhaps sadly...... but of course this is NI so it ain't going to be speedy........................................

 

Oh sure!!!
And if they listen to the "make it a DAW" brigade..

...rather than improve the existing functionality and give us what is generally expected from a good sequencer/sampler/VST host (which is what it is, and it doesn't do it very well)...

...this is what it will be...



^^^
IMHO it's a bit like this at the moment...
That's why I don't use the Maschine sequencer much nowadays.

 

LOL Arguably it's already in Homerville except that some areas actually are well considered and very elegant solutions and some are ridiculously lacking.
The thing is it's not neccessaily a call for it to 'become' a DAW but more a call to have certain areas work......i.e what's the point of having a mixer that can only set levels and efx but not have volume or pan automation without work arounds? Whats the point of automation that's a nightmare to edit? Why not have a convert to audio to get round the cpu hogs that most of the synths bar Massive and Monark are etc etc. Should you really have to step outside Maschine for those?

 

I don't follow you, there is volume and pan automation in Maschine.. And many workarounds for many things. Doing that Mabb challenge using only maschine and stock plugins had me realise that it is actually pretty complete if you dig a little.. Well maybe I don't know none of the human being will ever have the same expectations anyway but if you look at it cost wise it is one of the best value workstation you can find on the market with reaper... Just ran into that soundbridge free daw that is actually pretty impressive even though it is to CPU intensive for my computer.... But for the price of live suite you can have a great controller. Great instruments and effects. . Quiet honest. But still difficult for any user to get out of the usual schemes and the way we use classic daws.. For instance the lock feature is really interesting if you look a bit closer, the way it can be used and triggered... Lost of great possibilities here....

 

AFAIK you can't put a whole track through Maschine and do automation on pan and volume through the mixer. I and others have mentioned this to be told that's what you use a DAW for. I think you can actually do it with workarounds or by doing individual patterns but it shouldn't need to be that convoluted and editing automation in Maschine is beyond a joke. Do-able yes but then so is pulling teeth.
Unlike some others I actually love Maschine and it has some amazing features, and like you say many that only become apparent on digging around but it also has a great many shortcomings.

 

True. But not much missing though. With an automation lane that could overlap all patterns that would do the trick .

 

As the "track" is a sequence of MIDI notes in Maschine, you can thus change the volume and pan of plugin or sampler via MIDI automation. If you can't do this via Maschine this is a limitation of the sequencer. Nothing to do with DAW functionality.

If you want to do some serious mixing of tracks created in Maschine though DAWs are exactly where you should be exporting to, you would be able to manipulate the audio output from the instrument/plugin (or bounced wav file).

Use the right tool for the job.

 

Yes, I was thinking myself that admitting this is the only tool you have , you can do a decent mix with a bit of digging even if stock tools seems limited, ther is many workround for a decent result. Also, I kind of feel that maschine has some kind of imaging algorithm on the master bus which gives it its particular sound...it is definitely not a neutral sound engine I think

 

Similar to the integration on the Komplete Kontrol keyboards.

So you can run an instance of Maschine as plugin on the tracks, then switch to mixing tracks in Logic etc

 

I would love to see a group option of a tasty pixels loopy hd recording where you can change per pad pattern lengths ect - as a guitarist and a maschine mk3 owner that would be so cool - maschine powered by loopy HD Recording
Could be so much fun!

 

I actually enjoy fleshing out the beat and arrangement in Maschine then tracking the vocals and mixing in a different environment.

 

OMG tomorrow is the scheduled release day for the big update!

 

How do u know its tomorrow? I havent recieved any emails from NI

 

Put your hands up anyone is hoping NI will serve us an extra feature (not mentioned yet) as a apology for being late?

 

I also cannot wait for the new update, but I rather wait for a proper update, then a bugfest. The update is ready when it's ready.

 

Is it christmas again ?