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Is there a way to monitor a mono external src in stereo?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Vertical, Apr 13, 2010.

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  1. Vertical

    Vertical NI Product Owner

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    When I sample a guitar using my apogee one, I can't seem to find a way to hear the guitar in stereo while/during sampling. After sampling, it is fine. Is there a way to make a mono input stereo?
     
  2. Vertical

    Vertical NI Product Owner

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    I found a work around to this problem.

    If using effects, turn the wet/dry mix to 100% wet. Then use the Apogee Maestro mixer to add in the dry signal.

    If not using effects, turn down the volume in the master mix section, then mix in the sound with the Apogee mixer.

    This allows a mono source to be stereo before and during sampling.
     
  3. locrates

    locrates NI Product Owner

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    ..? AAe you recording in stereo? ( eg, X/Y )?
    If ur just using one mic then there is no need to make it stereo as a guitar is a 'single' source of sound., just pan L/R in the mix.
     
  4. i2050

    i2050 NI Product Owner

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    This is a common misconception in music production/engineering. If you are not recording in stereo, then you will not have stereo. Why do you want stereo over mono? One mic source is always mono. In fact, turning a mono source into stereo is called Big Mono. There is NO REASON to do this unless you like losing headroom. STEREO DOES NOT EQUAL BETTER. The only way to record a guitar in stereo is to use two microphones at the same time, and then you must make certain they are in phase. Big Mono just eats up a free channel.

    A lot of new engineers would have a much more defined, louder and professional sounding recording if they just used mono. If it is hard to understand this, I promise that recording in true stereo will not be beneficial due to the lack of understanding phase correlation.

    BTW taking a mono track and forcing it to stereo always results in a -3dB loss. Likewise taking a Big Mono track and forcing it to mono results in a +3dB increase.

    Basically, do yourself a favor and keep mono tracks mono. (It is ok and even recommended to use stereo time based devices (i.e. delays, reverbs, phasers) on mono recordings. This is especially true with reverbs as by definition reverb is a stereo effect naturally (we have 2 ears, which is stereophonic sound). All electric guitars, acoustic guitars, woodwind instruments, brass instrument are naturally mono. It is the way we hear and the room space (which reverbs try to emulate) that can give the listener a stereophonic feel, NOT the instrument itself.

    I know this is a lot to take in at once. Feel free to reply back with whatever questions you may have.
     
  5. locrates

    locrates NI Product Owner

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    ^^ good stuff explaining what i was saying in more detail.. Lets hope these cats understand haha. :D
     
  6. smithwessen

    smithwessen NI Product Owner

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    i dont think you guys understood his question, he wants to hear the mono source on both speakers while sampling,

    currently his sampling and can only hear on a single channel left or right,
     
  7. Vertical

    Vertical NI Product Owner

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    This is correct. I am sampling the guitar as mono. I just want to hear it in both ears while Im playing before and while I actually record the sample.
     
  8. smithwessen

    smithwessen NI Product Owner

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    vertical put in a feature request, as this is something that was overlooked
     
  9. Vertical

    Vertical NI Product Owner

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    Good idea.

    Here is what I posted:

     
  10. RSB

    RSB New Member

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    Same here...

    I have the Maschine with OS1.5.bla, a Focusrite Saffire6 USB soundcard and a hardware mono-synth. When I select the SRC for trigger pad 1 as INPUT then I can hear the mono-synth through my monitors/speakers. But I only here the mono-synth on the right or left monitor. depends in which input of the Saffire (L or R)

    There is a switch on the front of the saffire which lets me chose if I want the set both the inputs as a stereo-pair or as a set of mono-inputs. In both cases I'm only aloud to chose, on the maschine, under SRC/source, EXT IN 1 or INTERNAL. So when I chose EXT IN 1, I only hear the mono-synth through my left monitor as the mono-synth is in the left/1st input on the Saffire. The switch setting for 2xmono or coupled stereo doesn't seem to have any effect nor I can chose multiple inputs under SRC/source.

    The thing is that I want to use the 2 inputs from the audio interface to monitor my recordplayer (In1L) and Nordlead2 (In2R). This because I dont use a mixer, and don't have more inputs on my audiointerface. Its ok with sampling, as I can chose from 1L / 1 R / 1L+1R. In all the cases i hear the sound on both my monitors. But when I use audiothru function, I don't have the ability to chose from 1L / 1 R / 1L+1R but only between INTERNAL / EXT IN 1, which let me hear the recordplayer only on the left monitor. I really want to see the same choice as with SAMPLING. So that i could chose between 1L / 1 R / 1L+1R and monitor any mono-input as stereo.

    I Hope this gets fixed.
     
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