Is there a way to use vst plugin effects within Kontakt 3?

Was just wondering if there was a way to use some of my favorite vst effects as effects within kontakt 3 without having to do this in a sequencer.

 

Not within- Kontakt doesn't host plugins. However, you could run Kontakt and your effects in one of the numerous minihosts out there.

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samplesbank

I'm with you on that one. it would be at least nice to be able to run GR-3 in kontakt 2 or 3. After all they did make both products.

 

me too.....

the effects are too limited in kontakt.... give us vst support, or atleast include all/some of the gtr rig fx or kore fx... the technology is already there

also... please give us the option to use all the effects in all the slots.... currently, we cant use none of the distortions as sends, and none of the modulators as group inserts

a mix control on all of the effects would be nice 2



or atleast a mix control on the fx that cant be used as sends

 

Who will use a distorsion as a send effect or a modulator as group insert? A modulator must modulate a parameter. Wich parameter will you modulate if you could use it as a group insert? The way the effects and modulators can be manipulated in K2 or 3 give you maximum liberty of choises. No other sampler in the market offer the possibility to combine effects and modulators as kontakt does.

There is an effect named "Send Levels". This effect gives you the mix control for sends fx. And much more, it can be modulated if you insert it in "group insert fx" (the green part in the instrument)

In the manual they said that they did not put some plugins in
Group insert fx, because it will be verry cpu consuming

I supose you like Kontakt and that's why you ask more from it.
But you really can do whatever you want with what kontakt provides now. You think theoretically now, but I suggest imagine the sound you want and practically you will be able to achieve it.

I also sugest to take a look at Kontakt 2 video tutorial.
There is a lot of tricks you will see there.

Best regards

 

LEt me just say something here. The best thing to do would be to start a new Software company and listen to what musicians/producers/sound designers want from a sampler and then impliment those things.

The company would be unstoppable.

I would take all the routing/modulation capabilities of K3, would add slots to use any plug-in effect you want, would add direct sampling, custom skin making communities, support for every sample format there is, have a 1,000 different scripts with and without animation...

...I would even go as far as adding an internal sequencer with unlimited tracks. You wouldnt need anything else! It would be the most powerful software on the planet!

Dont get me wrong, thus far I really do enjoy K3 besides its short commings..... But it makes me wonder about starting my own company.

 

samplesbank

If you can deliver what you say! Ill be the first on your door step.

 

Terry1,
I'm definately considering this. I have a few friends in the software/max-msp, and indy development community...I'm going to put it out there and see what happens. If its meant to be...I'll steam roll it

 

I actually disagree with this. I feel that companies that try to do everything... end up doing so in a watered down way. Whereas comapnies that specialize in 1 thing... tend to do it very well. I say let Kontakt remain focused on being a great sampler. If you want kick-a$$ compressors to go along with it, then assign the outputs of K2 to a compressor... and let UAD-1 or another company who specializes in great fx take care of that.

My 2 cents.

T

 

T, I heartily agree with you. I've worked for several software vendors in my career (from the very small to the unbelievably huge), and what you've said is borne out time and time again. And often the worst thing that can happen is when a big vendor buys a smaller one and then "integrates" the smaller company's products into its larger ones. That too usually results in a compromise of the smaller company's products, particularly in keeping focused on the details.

The other thing to keep in mind is that there is a huge gulf between envisioning a software tool and actually turning it into a workable product that can be sold and supported.

IMHO NI does a pretty fabulous job with their tools. My own personal preference is for vendors who keep their focus on their core competencies and only extend their products into other areas where it makes a huge amount of sense.

Every product has its warts, and to be sure, KONTAKT has some. There is no such thing as the perfect software package. But I'm repeatedly blown away by what I'm able to do with KONTAKT. Sure, there are some things that you can't do with it, but there are lots of complimentary solutions out there that can be used to achieve virtually all the results you need.

And to paraphrase a famous American president, you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

 

Well, what I'm saying is for example the beloved Ensoniq ASR-10, whci was a sampler with 50 different effects, multiple filters, and a built in sequencer. That thing had everything you needed in one package.

Same goes with the mpc serious and pretty much 99% of all hardware samplers were able to sample, re-sample, effects, filters, sequences, (not to mention various modulation capabilities ala lfo's and other options)

So comming from that background, it would be nice to have an all-in-one workhorse....that was the beautiful thing about the ASR-10...the workflow was so quick and smooth since everything was done in one sampler.

With Kontakt, you have to sample using one software, possibly chop and edit using another, throw in konakt, then if you want to use your favorite vst effects, you have to yet again open more software.

So the work-flow is to choppy/shabby too many steps to get a desired effect.

If your using the library that comes with kontak, o.k. it's no big deal. But for some-one who makes their own library from their own instruments or from vinyl or live jam sessions, what-ever....it's just inconsistant.

 

samplesbank

I agree with you or at the very least it would be nice to be able to use other NI products with in kontakt 2 or 3. For my self the current set up is Kontakt 3>DG2.0>Sonar 7 PE, GR-3 as the fx insert. It would be nice not to have to load Sonar to achieve this.

 

I too would love effects directly inside Kontakt. This in fact would blow my head clean off. There are some good bits and bobs inside the NI repertoire of fx in Kontakt, particularly the convolution reverb, and I'm happy with the filters, but to be able to throw something like Soundtoys Echoboy or Sonnox compressor/limiter into the Kontakt mixer would be just awesome, that way you can save not just the instrument but the 'treatment' too.

I don't mind running a host, I mean there's stuff like Xlutop Chainer on the pc, but it doesn't load older Directx plugs, and the other catch is Kontakt doesn't expose it's windows as well as a VSTi.

In an ideal world, NI would approach Kontakt3 as a proper sampling workstation. Meaning, the graphics wouldn't be bitmap based, but vector, allowing you to resize and position (and save) the entire Kontakt window even across two monitors. You'd be able to have a large sample editor and mapping editor open always. And full VST effects support in the mixer. With that setup Kontakt would behave more like a hardware sampler, except pumped up on anabolic steroids.

 

I often like to 'thicken' the rhythm section by adding a little distortion. It's useful to be able to have something like a distortion send level or mix, so that you can retain the full mix but have 10% distortion coming in too.

I find the inability to modulate the effects in the Kontakt mixer a bit frustrating. I've lost count how many times I subconsciously try to drag across an LFO onto a mixer effect and it doesn't drop onto it. I guess the moral of the story is, everyone has a different way of working, and there's no 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to music composition. What isn't good is when some sort of accepted standard limits you from doing something but the limitation seems almost arbitrary. Most of the greatest music historically has been made by people bending the rules and using things for different purposes than what they were intended. All the crazy pitched up and down sound effects and speeded up backwards pianos on Sgt. Peppers are there because they could change the speed of the tape deck. The deck wasn't built with that in mind however. In software, limitations are even more frustrating because in essence programs like Kontakt are modular like Reaktor and you should really be able to send whatever data to whatever other data and mix audio and modulators and so on to your heart's content.

 

what he said