Is there anybody working on lowering cpu performance ?

Hey, machine is really the item I waited for years and I have great fun with it ! They really put together all advantages of all grooveboxes I know so long.

I have a sony 2* 1,8 dual laptop, that's maybe not the very latest technology but hey ...
I thought I could use machine together with ableton live, which is not possible, so do you know if there is still any work spend at NI on the performance (I have the lastest OS version) ?

 

Same here - when I introduce Maschine instance in Live the CPU goes ballistic.

 

Hey guys,

I too experience this even with a fast computer. CPU jolts up when using Maschine with Live.

 

Is your power scheme in Windows set to always on (XP)/max performance (Vista)?
If not, it should be. Otherwise, you're introducing speedstepping.

ew

 

+1 here, I'm definitely having some rather serious CPU performance issues using Maschine as a plug-in within Ableton Live. I am running a MacBook Pro with dual 2.16 Core 2 Duo's and 3gb of RAM, so not the fastest, but definitely not the slowest, either. It usually has no problems running many instances of Drum Racks, along with a few instances of Reaktor and Massive, too. So CPU performance isn't usually a concern for me at all...

But, I can't really use more than 1 group if I use Maschine as a plug-in. Much more than that, and the CPU goes over 100% and things get glitchy, or even crash. I can forget about opening one of the artist projects, or any of my own projects I created using Maschine stand-alone, where I have all 8 banks filled. It won't really even play at all...

I did want to point out that using Maschine stand-alone, I have not had any such CPU problems. However, again I do feel the need to point out that I don't think as many people will be using it in that capacity, as compared to using it within a DAW...

Is this problem specific to Ableton Live, or are other DAW's having this problem, too? Also, is this considered a 'known issue' at this point that is being worked on? Because this is yet another problem with Maschine's plug-in performance that is really holding me back from becoming too attached to it....

 

If you're using Live 8, there's lots of threads dealing with CPU issues with Macs. Check the Bugs and Problems forum there.

ew

 

It's also a mess in Acid 6, Chainer, Cubase SX, Cubase 4, and Cubase 5, Floops 8, Melodyne 3, Orion 7, Sonar 7, and PTM 7.4 under XP + 4GB + a pair of 2.8 Xeons.

 

I should have been more specific in stating which version I am using, which is 7.0.9. And I do understand that part of troubleshooting is taking into account all possibilities, but in this instance I think that I can pretty safely say that the problem is not with Ableton, which as I did state, I do not EVER have any problems with other than when using Maschine as a plug-in. Also Gasface's post about his experience with a variety of other DAW's also seems to point to the fact that there is a problem with the Maschine plug-in. And he's using dual 2.8 Xeons!

I hope that going forward we can move past shifting of blame and onto acknowledging that there may be a problem and then, hopefully, a quick resolution can be achieved. Otherwise, I am almost to the point of saying that NI needs to just start over from scratch with the plug-in versions, because at this point I have a hard time saying anything other than that it is sub-standard. And because I feel that had I known of this ahead of time, I would not have made this purchase, I am starting to feel that it is my duty to start making warning posts on other forums so that others don't get taken in like I did...

Fix the plug-in to function like the stand-alone and NI has a truly great product on its hands. If not, it will be quickly forgotten, end of story.

 

Why 7.0.9? The latest version of Live 7's 7.0.15. Try that.
I didn't know they made dual socket MPBs...

On the Mac side, you definitely run into speedstepping unless you're using Coolbook, QuietMBP or the like.

ew

 

Out of those, I use Chainer and Sonar. I'm still on 6.2.1 for Sonar, though; I didn't see any reason to upgrade to either 7 or 8.

In your case, I'm wondering whether it's a dual socket board issue. Contact support.

ew

 

Fortunately I can disable HT (HyperThreading) in BIOS but I sure hope SMP (Symmetric MultiProcessing) is not the problem because ALL of my audio PCs use two Intel processors. And because Maschine is my only problematic plugin, a new PC is not an option at this point.

I'll contact support and determine my next step.

 

Why Live 7.0.9? Why not? Maybe I actually make music and play gigs and don't just pretend like I'm some hotshot because I'm a MODERATOR (woo-hoo!). Maybe I don't fix what isn't broken, which is exactly the case with Live, unlike Maschine....

Also, you have not heard of dual-socket MBP's because they don't make them, I made a typo. So judging from the condescending attitude of your response (and pretty much ALL of your responses on here, as far as I can tell...), I obviously must be stupid for having done so, right?

You can think that if you want, go ahead... But let me tell you something, I am starting to feel the same way about you, my friend, because I have yet to see any posting where you actually contribute something useful. So far all I have seen you do is try to flex your moderator muscle with threats and sarcasm, side step issues by placing blame everywhere other than where it belongs, and basically just miss the point in most of your responses. I could actually overlook your cockiness if you were actually throwing down some knowledge, but I have yet to see that at all. And you know what's really funny is that I have seen your postings on the Ableton forum and you're much more humble when you're not a moderator it would appear...

In one of your own previous remarks you stated that you do not say anything if you don't have anything useful to contribute... If all you can do is pass the buck, please don't ever respond to my postings again. And if you want to flex your moderator muscle and kick me off of here, then so be it, I'm starting to feel like I'm beating my head against the wall over here, anyway. Rather than waste my time on this forum trying to IMPROVE a product that needs it, I can just as easily spend that time on other forums warning others of my personal experience...

 

Say what?

There's been a lot of improvements to Live 7 since your version (or so I'm told- I still use 6). And, you can run multiple versions. Why don't you try it and see if it works?

And, I've been making music both live and in the studio for over 35 years. Yourself?

Did I say that? No. As I've said on numerous occasions, I'm not a Mac user- for all I know, they could have made a dual socket MBP at one time; that's why I asked.

Examples, please?

It's funny- most of the people who know me on other forums say exactly the opposite; that I'm much more subdued here...

I don't kick people out; neither Phil or I can do that. What we can do is ask for people to be banned, which is a very rare occurence with either of us.

ew

 

@Joshua Lee

I have the exact same setup as you. And I get the same milage from the standalone as the AU plugin, using Live 7.15.

I think it´s pretty heavy on the CPU. I really hope NI will make this more efficient and add multicore support.

I found out that using my internal soundcard was way better than my firewire Audiofire 2.

Im using 220ms buffer and im able to run 5 groups simultanously without glitches. (Thats the first five groups from the browser 808 kit - acidpauli kit)

 

Hey, thanks for posting your experience here in such detail. This is good information for me to use in my own troubleshooting. That seems odd about the internal soundcard working better than an external one.... I will see how that works out, as well.

 

I've returned it for a full refund.

 

Maschine Performance: Terrible!

Hello Fellow Sound Cadets!

Here's a really annoying thing about Machine: It likes to eat CPU and Memory, yet you don't know about it because the CPU indicator in Maschine LIES! My computer shows the CPU& Memory at around 50% peaking, but Maschine indicator is in the RED. I'm runing all 8 groups with lots of sounds and FX.

So here's my set up.

-intel q6660 quad core 2.6
-3GB ram
-2 SATA drives, Maschine library is on different drive then os
-Windows 7 x64
-MOTU mk3 - latest x64 drivers (BTW asio is broken in this release, wish motu gave a **** but they don't)
-all drivers are updated, and lots of cpu/mem cloggers are turned off in windows, such as indexing, task scheduler, defrag, antivirus, defender, remote registry, etc...so system is superfast otherwise.
-Using the WASAPI drivers, my only choice for now since asio is broken, plus they are faster and actually sound better.
-Ableton, Kontakt 3, Sonar 8 and other apps are super fast and all is well.

So what is going on here NI? can't yall just fix this freaking mashine, i paid an arm and a leg for it and it craps out when you get to put on all the good sweet stuff on your track!

FIX IT ALREADY, there are people out there who need **** working not flaking out during a live performance!

 

1) Maschine is only using one core; those are the CPU readings you're seeing from Maschine's GUI.
2) W7 is still in beta; it's not an officially supported OS at the present.

ew

 

1. False Advertisment.
2. BS w7 is not in beta anymore, and all other apps work great on w7x64 bit.
3. Machine needs to be fixed and be able to utilize 4 cores.
4. I want my refund!

 

Maschine (the original release) had multicore support. It was taken out due to thread scheduling and latency issues. It may return...

Ah- yes it is. A RC is still a beta release; that's why it's called a candidate. It's not an official release until it's available commercially.

Read my answer to 1

You'd have to talk to your shop and/or NI about that one.

ew