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Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk 2 - TP/100 LR - Noisy

Dieses Thema im Forum "KOMPLETE KONTROL SERIES" wurde erstellt von BurKeyHardi, 8. April 2021.

  1. BurKeyHardi

    BurKeyHardi New Member

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    Hello dear user of Native Instruments keyboard S88 Mk2.

    I was checking the net and found the keybed is a TP/100 LR and is noisy in the beginning and becoming more noisy over time.

    Is it true?
     
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  2. Goon

    Goon NI Product Owner

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    crack on.
     
  3. Simchris

    Simchris NI Product Owner

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    Hammer action.... hammer time
     
  4. rdalcroft

    rdalcroft NI Product Owner

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    yes unfortunately after 1 year the keys do get noisy. I am on my second replacement now, and 8 months later, i have at least 6 keys that are noisy. Black and white. Very frustrating. Its not so much the noise, its the feel of the noise when you play, its off putting. It happens on the most played octaves. I feel you have to be gentle with this key-bed, not play passionately. Which defeats the purpose.

    I don't think I will buy another native instruments keyboard again unless they change, and prove they have changed the key-bed type.

    I wish they would publish their service manual for this, its going to become Law soon that every manufacturer has to provide both parts and instructions on how to service their products.

    I am not scared to open it up, i am pretty sure its an easy fix.
    I just need details of the correct procedure to do this, the correct type of grease i need etc..
     
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  5. Kimbo72

    Kimbo72 NI Product Owner

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    It's a Fatar and that type of keybeds make's a lot of noise.
    Same as the S61 make a lot of noise.
     
  6. BurKeyHardi

    BurKeyHardi New Member

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    Hallo and thank you. I decided not to buy the NI S88MK2.

    Instead I purchased the Studiologic SL88 / Grand with the TP/40 Wood.

    Much better so far.
     
  7. Kimbo72

    Kimbo72 NI Product Owner

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    TP/40 is also from Fater the same as the Mk2 88 only without wood.
     
  8. BurKeyHardi

    BurKeyHardi New Member

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    No it is not right what you say!

    The TP/40W is different from TP/100 LR. Price difference is not only because of the wood. Otherwise the name would be TP/100W.

    TP/40 und TP/100 are much different, in terms of quality.

    TP/40W has a metal frame and graded hammer action with heavier key weight.

    FATAR

    TP/100LR has a plastic frame with no graded hammer action with lighter key weight.

    FATAR

    Both hammer actions are different in terms of the design. The TP/100LR is optimized for transportability. The TP/40W is optimized for real piano feeling.

    Seems you have no glue, right?
     
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  9. BurKeyHardi

    BurKeyHardi New Member

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    Wrong again. Fatar offers keybeds of different price and different quality for different purposes.

    Seems you have no glue?
     
  10. Gerold Altwirth

    Gerold Altwirth New Member

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    Noise also here...my Problem is, I have kind of doubleaction when I hit a key with high velocity: 2 notes at same pitch, one with high velo, one with low velo that mutes the tone. Its very annoying to find and delete these notes in the grid editor
     
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  11. BurKeyHardi

    BurKeyHardi New Member

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    Problem is only they choose the TP/100 LR over the TP/40. Only to make the whole keyboard lighter. But the result is a very noisy keybed that becomes noisier over time. Bad choice Native Instruments. Kurzweil made a better choice and took the TP/40.
     
  12. Simchris

    Simchris NI Product Owner

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    I still plan to try to transplant tp40 into my s88mkii... stay tuned (pun)
     
  13. TonyJ

    TonyJ NI Product Owner

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    sad sad sad, s88 and massive issues....
    is the SL88 studio better ? I need a s88 midi keyboard for 10 years, not for 8 months like the s88 mk2.
     
  14. JesterMgee

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  15. rdalcroft

    rdalcroft NI Product Owner

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    please do not take my experience as gospel. There are plenty of people who have never had an issue, and are very happy with their Native Instruments keyboards. My S88 MK1 I had for 3 years and never had an issue.
    There are plenty of musicians on YouTube who all have the S88 MK2 and all seem very happy with theirs.

    I am probably over critical, and because it happend to me once, I was always waiting for when it would happen again. I knew what to look for.

    common sense tells you nothing lasts for ever, every thing needs to be maintained over time. That’s the only issue I have here.

    it’s not a defect, it’s in need of maintenance, but with no guides from native instruments in order to do the maintenance, that’s where my frustration comes from.
     
  16. rdalcroft

    rdalcroft NI Product Owner

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    you have a very different problem my friend.
    It’s a very easy fix


    you have dirt or dust in between the velocity membrane. Open it up, locate the octave where this is happening, remove the velocity membrane strip, clean the underside of it with a q-tip and alcohol same for the round circuit board where the black part of the membrane makes contact.
    Done.

    There are videos on YouTube showing how to do this, not for the s88 but the models below this.
     
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  17. TonyJ

    TonyJ NI Product Owner

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    OMG, after spending 1000€ with the s88 mk2 I have to open my keyboard after 8 months ? serisouly, I will look for Yamaha...the good point is NI has a big room for the quality improvement.
     
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  18. rdalcroft

    rdalcroft NI Product Owner

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    Thought this maybe of interest, its a tear down video I found on you tube, I will be attempting this re-grease of the keys, once I find out what type of grease to use..

     
  19. Theo van de Ven

    Theo van de Ven NI Product Owner

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    Much has been said about the fatar keybeds and much has been said about how to fix it.
    The fact is that for some users they make too much noise while other users are perhaps less critical, don't mind, ( or don't get this problem)
    Not all copies seem to rattle after a while, so the consistency of production is also not guaranteed there with fatar...
    Very unfortunate because otherwise the Komplete Kontrol s88mk2 is a very nice device
    Anyway, I returned my 88mk2 for this reason and canceled a serious purchase of a nord stage because this brand also chooses fatar keybeds. On stage there is no problem because you don't hear the rattle, but in your bedroom or home studio you do .
    if you pay such a high price for a product you may expect quality and no junk that you have to fix up after a year to reduce the noise
     
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  20. rdalcroft

    rdalcroft NI Product Owner

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    I totally agree with everything you said. I just wish my noises showed up right after purchase. I probably would have went else where. But alas, it was 9 months later for me, and yes NI replaced it, with a refurbished unit, only for that ti start doing the same after 8 months. I probably have 10 very clicky keys. Which annoy the hell out of me.

    I do believe it can be sorted by re-greasing and replacing the weather stripping.
    I will get round to doing it. I just need to know the type of grease and thickness and density of felt they use.
    Unfortunately NI are very reluctant to offer any advice on this.
    I no longer want to send it back. Because I don’t know what I will get back, another refurbished unit with a different set of quirks.