Kontakt 3.5 is coming up

In which case, seeing as how (as far as I am aware) all OSX hosts are still 32 bit, how exactly is K3.5 being tested on the Mac? As per:

 

You will have to ask them. And remember that I didn't find this info first hand, I just researched how it works a little bit. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But there IS a limitation on 32 bit processing, and the only way to get around it is through some type of bridge. 64 bit software does not work on it's own in 32 bit because it has a different set of instructions. By definition, 32 bit doesn't have the capabilities out of the box to run something designed for 64 bit.

So you'll have to ask them. I no longer have a Mac so I don't know how it's OS handles 64 bit. Also, not all Mac hosts are 32 bit. Logic is, but I'm pretty confident that others are not.

Brent

 

This 100% true and this is immoral business practice.

Just got the email "Now available: MASCHINE, the ultimate Groove Production Studio." Can you understand how infuriating this is to paid Pro Tools users? NI is spending its time on everything else but making our paid for, expensive products work for the first time.

 

Okay, thanks for your thoughts Koolkeys. Still, if 64-bit memory addressing is impossible from inside a 32-bit sequencer, it does make you wonder how they are testing it on a mac.

 

I'm pretty sure that there are 64 bit hosts on Mac. I sold my Mac last year so I don't know the latest. But it wasn't a 64 bit system so I never searched for them. But I'm pretty sure that there are hosts to test with.

For the definitive answer though, you'll probably have to wait for NI. For all I know, I could have some things wrong on Mac. All I know is the restrictions on 32 bit vs. 64 bit.

Brent

 

Well, regardless of wether or not there exists a 64 bit host on the Mac at this point, and I am not personally aware of one, one logical conclusion of what you are saying is that K 3.5 is not being tested on Logic, and will not work in Logic.

I think a few people might be surprised to hear that . .

 

The Groove Production Studio is now available worldwide

It's here - the first groove production studio that perfectly integrates with your computer. MASCHINE lets you create, arrange and perform pattern-based tracks using the stunning hardware controller and advanced software, including a massive library.......

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Uh...this is great and all NI....but where the f%$# is an update that will allow me to use Kontakt 3 I bought over a year ago on my Mac?

 

Actually, EXS isn't the only one. East West's PLAY engine and Vienna's "Vienna Instruments/Ensemble" do precisely this. Both use a "bridge" system to allow their respective players to run outside the host while appearing to run from within. You can see both in the Mac Activity Monitor. East West's is called "ousiad" and Vienna's is called "VSL-Server." Both allow me to access ALL of my memory. So at this point that leaves Kontakt as pretty much the last major sampler out there to not get with the times.

 

sorry, i still dont get it
who cares about 64 bit if the thing cant edit, cut or save a sample?
and isnt it just a bug if "exchange sample" doesnt lead me to a new sample but lets kontakt search the old one that is already there. I asked here in the forum, no one had a convenient reply, so i guess it IS a bug. is everyone just loading instruments, does no one exchange a sample in a tweaked instrument? does no one sample a longer part with sounds and try out from which starting point the sample sounds nice when its played - and then cuts it? isnt that what - say 40% of maschine is also about?

i understand it makes no sense to say a date when a beta comes.
as said, my vote goes for take your time for a good release

 

I'm aware of that. I own many VSL libraries. This is why I mentioned that you have to use a bridge. But those are more obvious than EXS because EXS is likely more integrated into the OS. But again, I don't really know 100% how accurate all of my posts were on how EXS works, only just what I've read.

Brent
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By the way, I've read several posts here with people complaining about the update taking too long. And to this I say: stop whining.

NI doesn't "owe" you anything. Using terms like "you HAVE to do this, and you HAVE to do that", and acting like they somehow screwed you over is just your own impatience and make you sound like a spoiled person.

They are offering a free upgrade, and have never made any promises. Software takes longer than expected all the time. You whining about it won't make it come faster. It serves no purpose. Nobody is out any money for 3.5, and if you bought "just because" of the update, you are silly. Never buy a software for what it will be. Besides, you will still get your update. It just won't come as fast as YOU would like it.

I'm just tired of seeing people whine and complain and moan about things taking too long and acting like they have somehow been done wrong by NI. Nobody owes you anything, so learn some patience and make some music in the meantime. And please don't patronize me and say that you "can't work without it", because that's a horrible excuse. Of course you can.

Sorry for the harsh post, but people have gotten so spoiled these days. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned a lawsuite against NI yet, because there's always somebody who tries to say idiotic things about how a company has broken some sort of "contract". It's all worthless.

Ok, rant over. I want 3.5 as much as anyone. So now I wait.

Brent

 

You have a right to express our point of view, as do others. Now go and get stuffed. If you are happy to just wait ad nauseum and be quiet - then just DO SO, mind your own business and spare me and others your irrelevant lectures.

Ok

 

actually I'm surprised by the fact that half the things stated here hasn't gotten people kick off this forum.

I'm done watching this thread.

 

Then don't read it. Even you said that we both have the right to opinions. I just happen to think the behavior about this is completely childish. People don't like waiting, even when it's something FREE. They act like some kind of victim when in FACT, nobody has done anything to hurt them. They need to get over it and just wait patiently instead of whining like they have been screwed over. It's a freakin' FREE UPDATE, and not one that you are owed in any way.

In other words, if my post bothers you, I don't care. I stand by it all.

Brent

 

This update is owed to me

I have had a big problem with Kontakt ever since 2.2 came out it simply doesn't export midi correctly. I updated to 3 to try and sort this problem but it still persists. I have had to downgrade everything back to osx 10.4.9 and pro tools 7 just to get kontakt to work properly. If you ask me we are owed this update as kontakt does not work properly. We are the BETA testers.

 

Except that this update has nothing to do with that. And what do you mean by midi export? Through the scripts?

And please stop with the silliness of saying you are "beta testers". Bugs get through, period. Always will. It's impossible to remove all of them during beta testing. If a user happens to find bugs, that doesn't mean the software wasn't tested. And saying that Kontakt doesn't work properly is false. It doesn't work for SOME people properly. Thousands are using it every day without a single issue. As in, the MAJORITY of users. If you have bugs, then I hope they get fixed, sincerely.

If you have bugs, there are proper places to report them officially, and this forum is not it. Contact support if you haven't already. But don't go on saying that this update is owed to you, because it's not. I do hope it fixes your problems though.

The fact is, you buy software after trying the demo. And you buy software for what it does now, not what it might do in the future. If either of these are not true for you, then you really can't blame NI. Sure, needs grow and bugs appear, I understand that. But then you take advantage of the proper channels.

Sorry, and I mean no disrespect, but there isn't a good argument to support the idea that NI somehow owes anything to anyone.

I should mention that I'm not a mean guy. I'm just a user like everyone else. I paid for Kontakt 2/3 and have no connection to NI. I'm just a customer, same as you. I don't say any of this to be rude, but just to rant about something that rubs me the wrong way. I don't expect everyone to agree, but I would hope people would act with a little maturity. And that doesn't seem to be the case much of the time. I'm sure that most of you are decent people with genuine concerns and just want to use your software without bugs, and you are frustrated. That's cool with me. I'm only taking exception to the way people go about complaining about it. NI are professionals making professional products, so as with any business, I would expect that they at least deserve to be treated as such.

People walk all over businesses all the time. I've been in the service industry for so many years(finally got out two years ago), and you HAVE to sit and take the junk that people give to you. And it sucks. They treat you like you are some evil force and you can do no right.

NI is all humans, they make mistakes. That doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated with respect though. Maybe I just come from a different mindset, but that's how I see it.

Of course, this forum is FAR from being the worst.

Ok, sorry for the long post. Peace to all.

Brent

 

How about this one.

When 3.0 first came out, Leopard/Pro Tools users were a little upset that there was not yet support for this combination.

Pro Tools is one of the leading Pro applications used in the industry and a good percentage of them are using Macs. NI said that support would be "Coming soon, so don't despair all of you Pro Tools/Mac users. We got your back. Update is on it's way! Buy 3.0 with Confidence!"

Well it was not on it's way and it still isn't and it looks like some time still before it is ready.

So we are not complaining that it crashes, is buggy, or no automation, or whatever....we are complaining because we paid money for it, but still can't even load it on to our computers. Again, we are not talking FL Studio users on Linux combo, we are talking Pro Tools on Mac!

We can't downgrade to K2.

We are simply not able to use Kontakt...PERIOD!

Do you think we deserve a free upgrade?

 

I completely agree with dubaifox. I'm in the same situation. I'm a Protools/Mac user and I recently upgraded to Kontakt 3 with the confidence that it will be resolve because "K3.5 is comming soon..."
Am I screwed?

 

Hey guys. I kinda just stumble on to this trying to get k-3 to work in Kore 2. Ill be the first to admit I don't know any thing about pro tools or even Mac's. Try and look at your attribute settings in the kontakt 3 library. If it says "read only" then try and change that setting for all your lib. files. As to how you go about doing that on a mac? Like I said I don't know about Mac's.

Let me know if it works or not. It kinda makes sense when you think about it.

 

There was a demo available. You had the chance to try it. It's NEVER a good idea to buy based on what something WILL BE, but you should buy based on what it IS. "Coming soon" is open for interpretation. Who is going to say exactly what that means? How do you know it doesn't mean a year? Five days? Whatever? Software release dates are missed all the time anyways. That's just life in the software world. It's almost impossible to put a specific date on something. It's not the end of the world, and there isn't much anyone can do about it, including NI.

Saying that you interpreted that as "right away" or anything else is YOUR reading of it, but it was never guaranteed in a certain amount of time. "Coming soon" is extremely vague, and to my knowledge, that is ALL that NI have said. They didn't put out some marketing material telling you to "buy now! It will be out soon! Don't worry!". They didn't say that. They put out a feature list for the upgrade and said "coming soon". Where does that guarantee a certain timetable?

It would be absolutely silly to buy the software that doens't work on your system yet, especially on newer operating systems. If you're going to spend this much money on software, didn't you demo it? And if you did, why did you buy if it didn't work? And no, NI didn't make any promises of a timetable, so you can't say they somehow lied or tricked you into it.

People seem to act like NI should be moving faster, but it's like people think they are just sitting on the upgrade doing nothing and leading everyone on. Do you really think they aren't working on it? Of course they are. They can only code so fast. And if they release early, then people complain(just as they have in this thread) that they are the "beta testers" and that the software is screwed up. It's a lose/lose situation for NI. They are working on it and have no reason to hold it back. They can't release something that isn't done yet, so I don't know what people are expecting. Complaining won't make them code any faster.

Just saying, that's all. I'm sure some will disagree, but just saying that you've been screwed doesn't mean you actually HAVE been. Hopefully the update comes soon enough and everyone will be happy.

Brent

 

Brent, you post suggests that Kontakt is a fringe program with a small userbase and development team, and that you should use it at your own risk because there is no history to suggest this progam will have any continued presence in the industry. Do you know something we don't know?

This is not the case with Kontakt, one of the most widely used samplers with a massive development team, from a well established company with a long history.

You should be able to buy it with the confidence that it will be compatible with one of the most widely used applications(Pro Tools) and computers in studios around the world, especially when it has worked in the past, and have been told it will be compatible very soon.

And somehow you are suggesting it is our fault for being stupid enough to buy it, and stupid enough to trust NI when they say support is coming? Odd argument, to be quite honest.

- I have never demoed K3 on my Mac, becuase there is no demo available for Leopard/Mac.

-I have been using the K2 for years, and know that I love it and is a vital tool on my studios.

-Are you aware that Leopard came out on 2007?

-Most other major software comapanies had updates within months. Still nothing from NI, and by the sounds of things, we are still a ways off.