Kore 2 Reaktor Toolpack

Discussion in 'KORE' started by sleen, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. sleen

    sleen NI Product Owner

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    Hello, I have been working on a project called the Kore 2 Reaktor Toolpack. This is a collection of Reaktor ensembles that add or extend the functionality of Kore 2 in the areas of midi processing and live effects.

    You can find out more about the Kore 2 Reaktor Toolpack by visiting this webpage:

    http://www.jonathanleonard.com/sounddesign/K2RTP

    Thanks,

    jonathan adams leonard
     
  2. Kymeia

    Kymeia NI Product Owner

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    Wow that is just fantastic - my K2 is in the post but as soon as I get it I'll be on these - programme change itself will be useful to me for using with Hartman Neuron VS (which only changes patch with PC messages)

    thanks
     
  3. Thomas @ NI

    Thomas @ NI Administrator

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    Great initiative. I will make this a sticky thread.
     
  4. ew

    ew Moderator Moderator

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    I've been playing around with this for quite some time, and in my opinion it's one of the handiest collection of tools I've come across in a long time.

    Once again thanks for doing this, Jonathan =)

    And, thanks for making this a sticky, Thomas.

    ew
     
  5. BobTheDog

    BobTheDog NI Product Owner

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    Hi Jonathan,

    Thanks for doing this, looks very usefull.

    Cheers

    Andy
     
  6. sleen

    sleen NI Product Owner

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    Update: Kore2MidiX8

    Version 1.1 071114

    + Kore2MidiX8

    Comment:
    Based on user feedback the Kore2midi solution was expanded to 8 pages in the Koresound, and 8 macros in reaktor. The 8 macros are switchable using the panel index control. This allows for more complete control of plugins such as Atmosphere.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2007
  7. Kymeia

    Kymeia NI Product Owner

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    That's interesting - I never could get atmosphere to work with KORE (except play of course). It doesn't expose any parameters that can be made into user pages so how do you manage it with the new ensembles?
     
  8. Muzel

    Muzel NI Product Owner

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    The KORE2MIDI is not working with Reaktor 5.1.3 in KORE2. Do I really have to do a downgrade to Reaktor 5.1.2?
     
  9. sleen

    sleen NI Product Owner

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    Requirements

    The latest public version of Reaktor from NI is 5.1.2.009 iirc. Where did you get that version of Reaktor? In any event, you can send me an email if something does not work and I will try to include a fix for the next update.

    Thanks Muzel!
     
  10. sleen

    sleen NI Product Owner

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    Atmosphere Midi Spec

    Hi there Kymeia, from what I am told you refer to the Atmosphere midi specification which is deeper than the few controls exposed to vst automation. Another forum member John Foll has been working on a version of Kore2midi that is defined for the Atmosphere midi CC. He has also informed me that other such synths like the Emu rely on midi and can be controlled this way as well.

    -jonathan adams leonard
     
  11. Muzel

    Muzel NI Product Owner

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    Confusing.

    When I open Reaktor within Cubase 4 it says it is Version 5.1.2.009.

    When I open Reaktor within KORE2 it says it is Version 5.1.3.001. No Idea why.

    However. The KORE2MIDI is sending data when I use it directly in Reaktor.

    When I use it in KORE2 the MIDI-LED in Reaktor is lighting but no data is going to the external MIDI -Outs of KORE. (MIDI-Outputs are activated.) Any Idea?
     
  12. Muzel

    Muzel NI Product Owner

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    Another one: Jonathan says he uses KORE Version 2.0.1.002.

    The newest one I can get is 2.0.0.005. Strange.
     
  13. ew

    ew Moderator Moderator

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    Ah... I can clear up both.

    The internal engine in Kore for Reaktor's 5.1.3 with the release version. Evidently, the internal engine's being used, since that's the newest version that Kore sees (check your version Jonathan- it's later than 5.1.3).

    Jonathan has that version of Kore because he's in the beta group; he's a former product specialist who's a very active member of most of the beta groups.

    ew
     
  14. sleen

    sleen NI Product Owner

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    Cool...

    Great man thanks for the details! The newer version number is coming from the integrated Reaktor engine I believe. NI calls them engines in some creative word trickery; they are just vst plugins without the GUIs.

    To get midi out of Kore you will need to check a few things:

    -Audio/Midi Settings/Midi: Enable a midi output port for Kore to use in the bottom pane. Make note of the midi out port name.

    -Channel Parameters/Midi: Locate the first midi output of the Kore channel you are using and set it to the name of the port you selected above. By default, a new performance will have channels' midi out set to none.

    Hope this helps,

    jonathan adams leonard
     
  15. ew

    ew Moderator Moderator

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    Which brings up something it helps to be aware of;

    At the present time, if you save a Reaktor ensemble from inside Kore 2, you'll be out of sync as far as versions go. The chances are high you'll get the dreaded "this was made by a newer version..." flag when trying to open the saved ensemble in standalone or as a plugin not inside Kore. I had that happen to me a couple months ago =(

    I think I'll make that a sticky. Thoughts?

    ew
     
  16. Muzel

    Muzel NI Product Owner

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    Thank you Jonathan, the last hint was the winner. Now it works and I can tweak my vl70m on the fly. Great work!
     
  17. Muzel

    Muzel NI Product Owner

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    Me again...

    So it works standalone and in Cubase 4. Did anybody get it under ProTools 7.3?
     
  18. John Foll

    John Foll NI Product Owner

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    Hi, I am the one that was wanting to use KORE2MIDI with Atmosphere. It works great. Unfortunately, Once I save the .KSD file and try to reload it, it locks up my computer. I haven't had a Reaktor Ensemble saved in a KSD cause this before. As far as I know, the entire Komplete 5 KSD files with Reaktor work. I was trying to create this and save it.

    Once the bugs are fixed, I will try to upload the KSD files for Atmosphere somewhere. Right now it is too difficult to import Controller Pages from one KORE KSD File to another. Their is no Automatic way of generating KORE KSD presets from Atmosphere (even though I have manually created them, but this was before I had KORE2MIDI). It would be a very big job to recreat these controller pages for this KORE2MIDI accross all of the Atmosphere presets.

    But, you can use KORE 2 to search for the Preset of Atmosphere, load it, then load my KORE2MIDI file for Atmosphere, and use it to control Atmosphere. By the way, this same KSD file that I made, will also work with Trilogy Total Bass module.
     
  19. sleen

    sleen NI Product Owner

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    Update Version 1.2 071121

    Version 1.2 071121

    + midi monitor ens and ksd: simple
    + midi monitor Z ens and ksd: array
    + Bank / Program Change ens and ksd
    + All Effects ksd: all kore effects in series
    + Group Effects ksd: all kore effects organized by type

    - midi monitor 1.1
    - program change 1.1

    Bugfix: Midi out modules
    Edit: Manual Page

    Comments:
    The simple midi monitor has been replaced with a cleaner and less complex version. The new midi monitor z shows the last 20 events received with colors. A new Bank and Program Change ensemble has been added to recall Banks via ctrl32 messages and includes a necessary 10 ms program change delay for Guitar Rig 3. A bug was fixed in the midi out modules that prevented certain initial values. The All Effects and Group Effects Koresounds feature the integrated Kore effects and allow for instant recall from performance presets. Bypass controls are conveniently assigned to bypass any effect in any slot.
     
  20. olehh

    olehh NI Product Owner

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    Great

    This is just great. Thanks!