Kore discontinuation

@ BIF

Its a saying, "when the Sh*t hits the fan"

 

Deep Reconstructions seems to use the Guitar Rig 3 engine on my Macbook whereas Deep Frequencies uses the Guitar Rig 4 engine. but that is surely a problem in that you need all these different engines to run the Soundpacks.

more recent Sound Packs are just using Kontakt, Guitar Rig and Reaktor, and their free Players. surely this is easier for NI to maintain in terms of updates?

sowari

 

after reading Keir's post, i would say the 1.7 Maschine update will not be a Kore replacement.

sowari

 

Well the only truly new item in Komplete 7 for me is Acoustic Refractions. I have B4 and the samples for Akoustic and Elektric Piano loaded into Kontakt, so mainly besides the Kore based plug in, Komplete 7 is a future proofing, which BAng BoOm pOw! Acoustic Refractions being a Kore based instrument means that Komplete 7 will ADD and instrument that needs an update that very possibly will be addressed in, no wait, hold on! YOu guessed it! KOMPLETE 8! :lol: :lol: :lol: :angry:

 

Check the store, search on Kore, you'll find several KORE soundpacks available for purchase... at full retail price.

Let's hope this is a transitional thing. I'll just say that for the time being but if this turns out to be their olive branch, Ableton's going to get a SERIOUS infusion of cash from me.

Cheers,

-ix

 

Scarbee's rhodes, wurlitzer, pianet and clavinet are different from Elektrik Piano. They're the best out there I believe And I love drums of the sixties But who knows, maybe they're all in Komplete 8

 

NI seem to want to get Kore to Maschine converts. I understand why but what will they do if no one converts. They will just end up loosing customers, atleast a few hundred. As a sound business decision goes you think they would just keep 2 flagship products just to keep the customers. Do they think if they put more people on another product that that will bring more buyers in on the other.

Maybe (and its just my opinion) they should just hire new people at a lower cost or even have interns work on Kore and if they come up with really good ideas and show they have a special knack for ideas and programming, then maybe they could be moved to their "main focus products"

Kore could be the proving grounds for NI

Most Kore users dont care if we are put to the back with slow updates and fixes, we love the program that much.

Use kore as the stepping stone for your team, use it as the get your foot in the door and show me what you can do job. You may find those genius programers in this way because you may get the one that can update it in twice the time a team could update it otherwise. There is definately skills and genius involved in programing. I can add 1+1+1+1=4 but someone else can be smarter by saying 2+2=4 then you have the genius that says yes you are all right but to simplify everything ill let you know 4=4.

Dont let kore die like this! It is truly a bad decision.

Let it ride on the back burner.

I think i want to see a vote (just for fun) Lets have a thread that asks registered users of Kore how many would like to see Kore D/C in favor of maschine, then have a thread in the maschine forum where they can have a vote to see who would like to see Maschine D/C in favor of Kore. After all that then we should have a seperate vote to see How many people of both programs would like to see both programs intergrated together as an all in one solution.

 

This is true - in fact, I think pretty much all of them are there, not listed in the menu/category views but if you search for them. The only one that is/was discontinued at the same time as Kore that didn't turn up was Deep Freq, and if you search for that specifically, it's there. As you say, maybe part of the transition to whatever 'solution' (olive branch, or as you put it) Keir has been working on.

I've no idea what would happen if you went through with a purchase on these, or whether they'll adjust the prices or offer a coupon or discount code to the Kore community or what, but it's interesting that they're there - can anyone confirm that they were *not* there last week?

 

@Klutch, in an ideal world yes it would be great to get interns to update Kore.

but

i would guess that there is a deep knowledge of coding required just to update the Kore engines so that they can play the updates of all the NI plugins as they evolve. and there are issues making sure all the the party plugins still work. this must be an enormous undertaking. i bet there are some young wiz kids at NI, but NI will want them to be working on their other stuff.

the fact is Kore is a very complex package, probably too complex for its own good

sowari

 

The point you seem to be evading is that I'm not at all interested in getting "newer" versions of pianos etc. and adding 'another' Kore device that will at some point stop working. My laptop is about 5 years old, and it's certain that by the time I can afford a new one Lion will be on all new macbook pros. So I'm already going to be forced near Kores bleeding edge. I'm well aware that a 64 bit ready Kore that's the 1.0 release of a 64 bit version is a recipe for instability. I am simply tired of chasing upgrade paths that companies seem to love pressuring you into getting to stay 'current'. I simply want to use what I have now, and make my choices based on products that don't require paid upgrades every year.
I'm at that point where I cannot afford to buy anything new because older software keeps having issues in some DAW etc. I have to draw the line sometime, and I draw it when Komplete 7 is being sold with a product that will undoubtedly require an upgrade, and I don't have the information on whether that's something that NI plan on taking care of as an update, or if they want to be paid to sell me more Kore software they don't plan on keeping current in the future, then paid again to upgrade it.

 

The engines are the same as the plugins - literally identical, you can drag an updated Kontakt VSTi dll say into the Kore internal engines folder and that's it - Kore is just a host with a hardwired path to the IE folder. Yes there is work in keeping it compatible but I can't see how that is any more than any other host.

 

that's really disheartening to hear, somehow. That was the great excuse on why it took so much work to keep updated, and was impossible to maintain - umm, what? seriously?

 

I don't think that in itself is new information - most regular Kore users know that if an engine plugin gets updated but Kore is still behind it's always been possible to copy the plugin version into the engines folder and so far I have not had that cause any issues. Also I don't want to underestimate the compatibility issue - although the engine versions are the same as the plugin versions they still have to ensure they are compatible with Kore and I guess that might have created some blocks to taking those plugins in other directions. Also there is a considerable amount of work generated by having to keep Koresounds up-to-date across multiple products which I know from my own experience is extremely time consuming and somewhat tedious. I'm guessing some of that also ran into "bottlenecks" in terms of Kore's compatibility with other NI products. Everytime a new Kontakt version comes out for example that's many thousand koresounds to make from scratch because there was no import for Kontakt and the format does not allow for updating plugins. I think the engines idea ultimately painted Kore's development into a corner but to me it still functions well as a host even without the engines so that is not entirely irrevocable - delete the engines and it will still run and load plugins and any koresounds made with those plugins.
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btw there is some hope in there if you think about it. Even if Komplete 8 doesn't include koresounds for whatever is in there is new it doesn't stop us as a community creating our own - just as I did for Prism and Razor, and it shouldn't stop us continuing to update Kore engine versions manually if and when new versions of the engine plug-ins come out. In that sense the future of Kore is now in our hands.

 

Yes, I got that. I'm just saying the Scarbee vintage keys are different packs, no newer version. Personally, I'm going to try to get out of Acoustic Refractions what I can before I can't continue working with it, it's magical.

 

wow. just - wow.

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

they are NOT identical.

 

Explain please. Kymeia has a great deal of Kore experience and has always struck me as knowing exactly what he's talking about.

 

i kept every version of every ni plug in i've got in case i got problems restoring older projects, ilooked up the "engine" files and couldn't find a file that's exact the same, at least some bits must have changed...

 

Are you just doing a size comparison?