Kore Users: What Are Your Plans for K8?

excellent sentiment. as someone who owns Kore, Komplete 7 & Maschine, i will also not consider K8 until the Kore updates are delivered as promised, AND, that it can be shown that Kore 2/Komplete 7 can continue operating side-by-side with Maschine/Komplete 8

 

I decided I won't be getting Komplete 8, for three reasons; first and foremost that NI dropped Kore, and second that it seems it may not work fully with Windows XP. In addition, the only program update that seems interesting is the one in Kontakt, but the update seems not to bring that many new features.

 

There's not one single new feature in K8 that adds value to my setup that's worth 200€.
As it might be the case, it subtracts value, if the plugs cannot be used in Kore.

I won't be buying K8.

I jumped on the Komplete Train with K7 and Kore, and I now jump ship, NI has been the greatest letdown of all companies of my purchases.

I will be very carefull giving them any more money to then be treated like a dumbass.

 

I too am sticking with Komplete 7, Kore 2 and Maschine 1.6 - Komplete 8 looks interesting, but I have a stable system and don't want any pain. This will be the first time I haven't upgraded from a previous version of Komplete.

 

NO Thanks.

 

I'm one more who will NOT be purchasing K8.

 

I think it's bad for business that NI doesn't do a survey about this. I count 5 people who are not upgrading to K8 because of the Kore incompatibility?

That's only a loss of 5x€199. That's not so bad. If Keir passes that information on NI will shrug their shoulders. But is it realistic?

I emailed an advice to NI two weeks ago. I explained them that I would not upgrade to K8U if they would not provide a free browsing-through-all-programs-at-the-same-time option and that I already bought their previous hw/sw combination 9 months ago just to do that. I personally barely use the controller. And K7 came with a koresound addon that worked in the free Kore Player. No such thing as a Maschine Player. It is easy enough to solve by making koresounds for K8U or make Kore compatible with the new format or to make a Maschine Player. If they can't do that my money goes to Vienna Instruments.

I think NI wants to know that they lose €499 of income and why. If everyone who thinks along these lines will email support they will know.

The facebook group of Kore users has now 120 members who are mainly looking at other companies. If none of them upgrades it costs NI €23.880 of income and they won't even know. If half of them would upgrade to K8U it would be more.

 

It's way more $, once the branding is broken and people stick with other companies with better customer relations.

 

I won't be getting K8. I'll consider K8U after the guinea-pigs (early adopters) report back how it works. I think Kontakt 4 can live alongside Kontakt 5, though. Keir said the new plugin will by necessity get a new ID, so you will see both plugins if you have them if this is the case. We can test this by installing Kontakt Player 5 when it is available, I hope.

I do have a massive amount of sounds to go through before I'm done with Komplete 7, though. K8U can wait

 

please take a look here for more information: http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?p=915060

 

I'll definitely be upgrading to Komplete 8 (from 6). Kore for me is more of a utility, I care less about the integration and preset browser. I'd like to keep using my korepacks, but I can't figure out if upgrading will stop those from working, like Sonic Fiction etc. They use the internal kontakt 4 and absynth anyways, so I don't see how the new versions will interfere with those.

 

This whole thing has become a ridiculous pile. Maintenance updates break interoperability. Combo packs (Komplete) aren't updates in any sense other than they have some newer versions of some of the contained product. The host and the plugs have to match in bitness and we've been waiting for NI to finish the 64-bit rollout for too long... Some existing products got 64-bit as maintenance updates while we had to buy new versions of other products to get 64-bit support in those because they didn't get 64-bit as part of a maintenance... Then we find out that Kore 2 will get 64-bit support after all... and be canceled... and that new versions of NI products wont work with Kore any way... ETC!

How does a person have a completely 64-bit DAW using Kore as a central librarian and sound design tool for NI products when NOTHING is coordinated and synchronized among the products? If Kore 2 goes 64-bit, so what for NI products that are 64-bit. If i upgrade to the 64-bit versions of the rest of the NI products i own, they wont work in Kore any way... Unless i know exactly which updates i shouldn't install ... freezing all my NI products at... what version for which products? i can't get any further maintenance updates for bug fixes if i want to stay with Kore as my central management tool of NI products... so... Oh yeah, they want to push us to Mashine, where they'll integrate all NI products... sorta... again... differently... better and more maintainable... but they wont let us have the Mashine software as a Kore-replacement-crossgrade because they're more interested in pushing Mashine hardware sales...

NI has basically done everything they can to stop Kore in its tracks for anyone using it as intended: the Kore of all NI products. The only people who will really benefit from 64-bit/Lion maintenance updates on Kore 2 are those who don't use Kore as intended (meaning, they are only using it for 3rd party plug-ins, since new NI plugins will save presets in a proprietary format incompatible with Kore).

THIS IS INSANE.
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we shouldn't need a complicated recipe for putting together a 64-bit Kore system integrating the rest of NI products. If you haven't bought the 64-bit version of the NI product you want to use before it stops being compatible with Kore, you'll never be able to. So go rush rush rush. spend money quick...

 

To the original question.... NI has been very clear in stating K8 will not be compatible with Kore. I do have Maschine, as well as Kore, and I want the option of using either.

What I'm planning on doing is moving my present, pre-K8, NI library to a separate hard drive to use specifically with Kore 2. I'll then upgrade to N8 and use the new sound format for Maschine and stand-alone.

I have no problem keeping these two libraries separate and I hope Kore won't either. Kore 2 works fine right now and I don't see the need to use it with K8. As long as NI keeps Kore working with the various computer OS updates, I'll be a happy guy.

 

Hi. Yeah I feel the same way about the OS updates. If the Kore drivers survive and continue to work after I build a new DAW with Windows 8 next year, then I think Kore will be good to go for 10 years or more.

At that point, I'll keep my eyes open in the local pawnshops. I saw a Kore 2 hardware unit recently up for sale at about $120. If I can use it with the next version of Windows, then I think that's a good price for having a spare around the studio.

 

NI seem pretty good about that - I'm still getting my Kore 1 drivers updated with all the rest and that was discontinued years ago. I guess that is one benefit of them all having the same underlying driver model - doesn't cost so much to update them all at the same time

 

that is a good thing

 

My plans concerning K8 are somewhat on the back burner. This whole plugin world can burn a hole in the pocket very quick.

I will get it at some stage, but my next priority 1. is to get the full alchemy version, mainly for the reason that I want to have access to Simon Stockhausen's Alchemy soundbanks.

They are totally enchanting, and trigger immediate pictures in my head that I would like to paint with Omnispshere, Kontakt and Simons soundbanks.

Priority 2. is 8 DIO's Rhytmic Aura for Kontakt.

Priority 3. is K8

 

@laughingbear: Your #2 is ahead of K8U for me too. Man, that's some good use of Kontakt. If tools like those start requiring Kontakt 5 there's no choice but to upgrade

 

My plans are not to buy Komplete. Which is a great thing, for me. I never did the Komplete thing, mostly because I preferred to upgrade individual NI instruments as I saw fit - a little more money to NI, but a little more flexibilty for me. I own pretty much every major instument NI has ever made.

Now I have no reason to buy anything from NI again, for the lifetime of my current DAW, which should last me another 6-7 years at least. Or any other music software for that matter.

You see, when you axe a software product line like NI has done with Kore, it's not quite the same as dropping support for a piece of hardware. Because the hardware you expect to work perfectly as soon as you plug it in. Software, you expect to have some issues, some bugs, but you expect it to evolve and grow - and of course you pay for major upgrades along the way.

Like Kontakt, which wasn't all that great when it first came out. But look what it evolved into.

So NI has saved me money that I've had spent on Koresounds and upgrades this year, and certainly has made it clearer than ever that I'm done with the upgrade game - I'm done with buying software, and I can use what I have now for years.

 

I will be waiting for a sale on a Kontakt 5 upgrade and that's it at this stage. Kore soundpacks provide the majority of my synthetic sounds and effects so I'm not buying updates that will upset my current setup.