Lemur users?

Did anybody use Lemur with Reaktor? Is it really as good as it seems to be?

 

who will sell their car for this mean mean machine?

 

i'd sell a kidney for one. i don't drink, so it would be a sweet deal for any buyers.

 

i got tired of drooling over it, and got a 40h from monome, which isnt anything newarly as cool and insane, but still really programmable and affordable (i think there are still some left).

http://monome.org/

 

$500 for a bunch of green buttons?
This IS insane.

Well, I was asking if anybody actually had experience with Lemur and Reaktor working together. I don't want to rave about Lemur, it's just expensive state of the art gadget, whether one can afford it - I don't care.

 

gimme a while and i can tell you, mine should be coming this week. when i've messed about with it i'll tell you.

 

Sleazy of Coil/Threshold Houseboys Choir, and Chris Carter of Chris and Cosey/CTI/Carter Tutti just bought Monomes too.
I'm too skint for any of em. Bah.If only Santa was real..........

 

Yes, I have. Whether or not it's as good as it seems to be probably depends on what you would consider to be good.

IMO, it's nice. What sucks though is that you can create very intuitive interfaces to control Reaktor from the Lemur using OSC, but OSC support in Reaktor is half-ass and when running Reaktor as a plugin OSC no longer functions. Meaning you have to do everything as a stand alone or resort to that protocol from the 80's to control Reaktor when running it as a plugin.

 

I should have the chance to offer feedback on it after this coming weekend. It looks like a friend of mine will be lending me one to play around with and create interfaces for use with Reaktor and Traktor.

 

dude, are you joking? besides being made by a tiny company doing a limited run, the 40h is super-high-quality, and works 100% everytime, no issues. it is completely programmable, with multiple methods for controlling the LEDs, which are totally de-coupled from the button presses. it also works via serialport messages, and NOT OSC or MIDI natively, so you can easily hack it yourself in almost any programming language (including max/msp). far more useful and elegant IMO than most keyboards of that price. i guess its a DIY type thing, though, and i cant see everyone liking it. hell, it even has 4 ADC inputs, so you can connect some encoders or whatever and convert to serial messages (and then to OSC via the programs that drive it), but you have to open it up and connect it yourself, which i fear doping thanks to my near null soldering skills!

i think considering it is 1/5 the price of the full-price lemur, it is more than a fair price, i cant wait till they come out with the 16x16 (hell, maybe ill sell my car and get a lemur, toio!).

 

hey dan, are you still sending out your reaktor versions of the apps available on that site?

--------i'm----------into it


(i tried to e-mail you but something messed up)

 

So, any feedback from Lemur users yet? It's been awhile.

 

feedback? i do confess i havent used my lemur with reaktor much (been concentrating on my iching max patch at the moment for uni) but having just loaded up 2-Osc and was able to get the lemur talking to it very quickly.
in terms of the hardware itself- its great. just very nice generally. solid, sexy. and with the upgrade to dexter later this year its looking even better (dexter is the mutants new product for highquality control of DAWs) DAW wise though it does fine in logic, Nuendo and Live. havent figured out if it can do pro-tools though. MIDI is easy with it (relatively speaking) and OSC is fine when you get used to it.
cant think of anything else, its just great. ask away if you feel the need

 

Um, you can also create UI's on the lemur to control reaktor via midi.

I played with one at the NYC reaktor user group meeting when Matt Moldover had borrowed one for a couple of weeks. He had programmed it to control his Live + Reaktor setup - all via MIDI messages from the Lemur, and I have to say it was awesome.

It is incredible. Search the forum for other posts by me about it.

The biggest problem we both had with it was the number of "wiz bang" UI controls (bouncing balls, rubber bands, etc) that feel like (useless) academic capability demos vs. the number of options for the "real" controls. E.g. there was no way to get a ribbon-controller type of functionality where a slider would send a note-on/note-off message when your finger was on it along with a CC message for the position. They also don;t let you hack/sdk/write your own control modules for it - which would be great, but they've no plans to allow that any time in the foreseeable future (according to what I've read on their forums).

One of the great features of it is the one-click access to "scenes" or "pages" or whatever you want to call it. You've got like 4 buttons on the top and a completely user-defined control sruface associated with each one. Matt had one to control Live with a couple of reaktor "mash up" buttons, then a second one that was completely dedicated to reaktor mashup with just a couple of buttons for muting/unmuting tracks in Live. I could have played with it for hours. I definitely see it being the future of control surfaces for music - it really can act as a replacement for a "real" control surface more than anything I've ever used. It's very fast and responsive w/o being overly sensitive.

- CList

 

Oh -whoops, that's that "protocol from the 80's" you were talking about! Sorry man!

Yes, it's not nearly as good as Osc, but it's very fast. AFAIK, youcan't use it to send any thing from reaktor *back to* the lemur - which sucks...

- Chris

 

kid_sputnik at yahoo... i dont your e-mail anymore, sorry!

my ensembles for the monome are pretty much reliant on having the box, unfortunately. you can definately hack them, you jsut have to understand whats going on.

 

actually, you can just download them, you dont have to be a memeber or anything...

http://wiki.monome.org/view/AppReaktor5Boxstep
is the newer one.

the pack of older ones is:

http://wiki.monome.org/view/AppReaktor5EnsemblePack

there is a nice clone of the exile ensemble ion there, although i didnt do granular timestretching. its called liverig. the liverig-mlr one is more like the monome mlr max patch (which is really nice, IMO, but i like using reaktor better, its just smoother IMO).