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Yeah, it should be interesting to see how it is all navigated.

 

I have little to no faith that Native Instruments will be able to transition over to M1 any time soon and we will be in a perpetual state of waiting while the rest of the world moves ahead. They don't even have a timeline and dev kits were sent out many months ago. I feel like NI has become a bit too tight in the pants for modern computing.

Just look at something like Komplete Kontrol. It looks like it came straight from the 90s and how long have people been asking for the ability to simply resize the window? Many years. I know there are unofficial ways to do it through config files and such, but if they can't be bothered enough to implement probably the most simple request known to man then what hope do we have that they will actually be able to move to entirely new architecture? lmao. I think they lost their talent years ago and are riding on their big name.

I would love to be proven wrong though.

 

I personally am not expecting a "quick fix" but wanted to test it out for myself. I do not expect NI products to be compatible anytime soon, but I do expect in general many audio developers to continue to add compatibility for the M series. Good thing is some seem to be working fine with Rosetta 2 translation. NI doesn't though.

 

Personally I want to remain optimistic ;-) I am quite sure that Maschine+ on linux means they began to rewrite some code... not for all apps though but I keep faith (maybe it's because I'm new to NI ?)

 

Oh I am not thinking negative about it, I think it will happen, I just do not think it will be quick. They have a ton of products lol. My main use is Maschine/NKS so that would include Kontakt, Reaktor, etc (mainly Kontakt for me)

I just don't expect it to happen within weeks, I imagine months before all the software and the hardware devices are compatible. My decision now is do I want to wait, or will I return it and just get the intel version for now.

 

Did you use a time maschine back up from your other Mac on your new mini ?

 

lol my answer was targeting MisterEcted ;-)

 

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I still have faith in NI. They are like an elephant- mighty, but move very slow

I am on beefed up Intel Mac mini which I bought few months ago, I can safely wait around 5 years until:
- Intel is no longer supported by Apple
- NI will compile their software for Apple Silicon,

whichever comes first. If Apple will eventually stop supporting Universal Binaries (and they will) then I will need to either change platform to PC (and I really don’t want to do this) or stop using NI software altogether, if they wouldn’t recompile for ARM by then.

I think NI should concentrate on making all software working under Rosetta first (cause Native Access crashes under Rosetta at the moment so nothing can be installed for testing) and then recompile for ARM later, at least this would make NI software usable on ARM Macs.

We will see how fast they move

 

I did note. I'm not a time machine user (I really treat my mini like a standalone synth lol), everything I have installed music wise on there is through Native Access, so I just went from scratch. I also installed things like Dropbox, Camtasia (for screen recording), but that's pretty much all I would use on there.

I did test the MPC software which works, as does Ableton Live 10. But in real use I wouldn't have either of those on the box, just wanted to what else is working currently.

 

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1332599-m1-apple-silicon-experiences-audio-2.html

 

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/production-expert-1/macbook-pro-m1-audio-power-test-logic-pro

 

Is this right Mac Big Sur works without Firewalls?

 

No , well you can use it without one , you always could, the OS X settings are still the same , there was some talk about it bypassing vpn or apps like like snitch to report home.

 

Got the base model mini yesterday, really impressive, very low power usage , I’m watching a video and it’s running at less than 10watts

ran the logic benchmark test and I get between

100-104 tracks between 32-128 buffer @ 44.1
90-93 tracks @ 48
39 tracks @ 96 regardless of buffer size

Didn’t change the buffer settings doing these two so probably at 256

This was my 2018 i5 Mac mini 8gb ram
60 tracks @ 44.1khz
55 tracks @ 48khz
22 tracks @ 96khz

This was my late 2016 i7 MacBook Pro 16gb ram
48 @ 44.1 kHz
42 @ 48 kHz
15 @ 96 kHz

Here’s another video

 

Running the 8/512 M1 Pro here. The main sticking point with NI stuff seems to be Native Access.

I restored my system across from my Intel mac, and pretty much all of the Komplete applications seem to load up and function nicely using Rosetta. Unfortunately without Native Access, you can't authorise them, so you're stuck in demo mode.

I'm hoping that will mean a relatively quick fix... but we shall see.

 

Hmm this seems slightly surprising. I thought Native Access was just a downloader + licenser, in which case I'm a little confused as to why it wouldn't work under Rosetta 2. My initial impression was that the problem was actually things like Kontakt which interface with the audio layer. Interesting that that part actually works.

Is there any easy way to install Kontakt even in just demo mode without Native Access under Rosetta 2?

 

Yeah, not sure why NI is blocking Native Access from working on M1s.

As for porting to M1, I read through the Apple dev docs getting your app ready for M1/Arm and I think NI is going to be quite busy with it.

You might need to have an Apple dev account to read these:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/porting_your_macos_apps_to_apple_silicon

and

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiounit/porting_your_audio_code_to_apple_silicon

Luckily Rosetta doesn't seem to have any problem running Traktor at all.

NI, please permit Native Access to run on the new Macs...

 

Also worth knowing about Big Sur... interesting findings about some changes that come with Apples' latest OS:
https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/

tldr - Apple / Bis Sur now transmits a LOT of user actions/data in hash strings, that are questionable, as well as open for anyone else to read.
Fun times...

c.

 

Some of the conclusions in that blog post are outright false, and Apple has already taken steps to address some complaints that were raised as a result of that issue:

Apple Addresses Last Week’s OCSP Server Failure and Related Privacy Concerns

"We have never combined data from these checks with information about Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices. These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks, and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from logs.

In addition, over the the next year we will introduce several changes to our security checks:

• A new encrypted protocol for Developer ID certificate revocation checks
  
  
• Strong protections against server failure
  
  
• A new preference for users to opt out of these security protections"
  
  
  Doesn't seem like there is much to worry about here.