Make a damned Maschine DAW MODE now!

And what else is better??? Nothing!

Uwe

 

I am also beyond confused at why NI would engineer and market a product like maschine just to overlook such commonly expected and standard functions. in 2015 simple functions such as basic midi control and triggering notes via a DAW should not take hours of trial/error setup and continuous research; users should not always be told to cope and then implement (the all to popular) "work arounds" (many of which do not satisfy as a real solution, as many of these work arounds usually create other workflow issues). I'm further confounded by the number of Maschine users who are actually just fanboys (ready to attack anyone who dares to mention any of maschine's glaring lack of intuitive function) rather than users that can contribute objectively to technical criticism that could help improve the Maschine software.

1. The lack of such basic features lead me to believe that either NI is intentionally crippling their product; maybe some misguided marketing stratagem in that if maschine is to a pain to be used except as a all-in-one-solution, people will disregard other software to use it (but don't tell them consumer that upfont). If indeed maschine's DAW-handicap isn't intentional, NI needs hire some new devs who have 'talent' in workflow and ergonomic programming.

2. As an IT consultant who builds custom daws, and is also a musician I can't believe the amount of frustration and time wasted attempting to get maschine to integrate with my DAW. After searching the net for days, and trying each "work around", I found that still none of them suit my basic needs. Sadly it seems that the only ones posting on these forums are people who are content with "working around" maschine's limitations, while the people who want to "work with" and "work through" maschine are left tinkering for days on end trying to figure out what the hype is about. I assume, most of the users like myself are to exhausted/pissed/frustrated fiddling with maschine to even waste time posting on a forum about issues like this, and would sooner sell maschine or chuck it out a window before wasting anymore time trying to get it to play nice with our DAW.

3. I guess if your not used to a more traditional DAW base approach to making music and maschine is all you know, then I suppose you could be ignorant to the issue that keep many users (like myself) from even attempting to use maschine in any serious context. I think ANY instrument controller developed in the last 10 years should be expected to have a certain subset of features and functionality, and it seems that Maschine has dropped the ball on those most 'tried and true' features, while implementing other great and unique features.... but that's like adding 10 (for the added innovation) and then taking away 10 (for the disregard of technological standards), you end up with a big fat 0.

In concept Maschine sounds like a dream, but in practical use for those not working in ableton, or standalone mode, it can be quite the technical nightmare.

 

Don't sell your maschine folks! You will regret it lol.

 

Uh......as the thread suggest, many of us are already 'regret' buying it in the first place. Is there some useful info about a future maschine update you have? Or are you just playing devils advocate to humor yourself?

 

Then tell us what's better?? Starkid84

Uwe

 

well, since you asked... it would be 'better' for NI to implement DAW friendly features in Maschine.

but other than that, I have tons of other VST's that I use to get most of my serious work done. As far as maschine, personally have had an easier time just triggering the maschine software and sounds just using midi keyboards. Although using other midi keyboards doesn't allow use of the fancy controller options many of us bought maschine for, I can at least trigger sounds and samples in my daw with zero fuss. Unfortunately working like that renders the maschine controller rather useless.

Even further I could make a list of what VST's I think are (subjectively) better, but with Maschines poor DAW intergration 'deal breakers', every VST on my list would be considered functionally 'better' in my eyes, as all of them work just fine with any DAW.

 

OK DAW implementation could be way better - there we both have the same view/opinion.
But at the end of the day maschine is a good groove production studio where you can scetch first ideas really quick,
and develop them further without the need of the mouse!!!

Uwe

P.S. if you get your work done better with other vst's then its maybe better to sell maschine!

 

Just turn Maschine into a DAW............. Then it could integrate with itself.

 

I think making a new DAW would be a pretty massive undertakling and would require a lot of manpower. If NI made a DAW out of Maschine ,its fairly unlikely that folks who have any of the established daw's would switch to Maschine just for the daw ,so they'd be doing this for a segment of their existing customers: namely standalone users who havent yet purchased a DAW. People that use Maschine in a recording situation would be faced with having 2 DAW's to work with ; pretty unlikely to work out. Maybe a Maschine DAW as an option for folks to pay for but still better daw integration for users who record now with a daw

 

This...

Turn Maschine software into a DAW and it wouldn't need to integrate with something other companies DAW.

 

Fantastic idea.

 

Why compete with people you can work with? Rather than compete against Abelton, ProTools and Logic, Maschine can potentially harness a much bigger market by working WITH those users, rather than converting them away from their DAW.
I use Maschine standalone, but also inside ProTools or Ableton depending on the job. I used it inside Cubase the other day too.
It's more fun and functional to use it standalone, but sometimes I just need it for something simple inside another project.

 

Yeah, I can't sell as I would lose my Komplete crossgrade. I guess I will have to wait it out.

 

For me, Ableton's sequencer is more comfortable and the idea sequencing inside another sequencer is just silly. All I need is Maschine to do is remember my MIDI settings when changing kits and allow me to use multiple groups inside a Live without Group A's notes bleeding into every other group regardless of the MIDI channel you set the group to. I just want to be able to use Maschine excellent sounds and FXs without using their sequencer. Is that an unreasonable request?
Turning Maschine into a DAW would not resolve the fact that Maschine is not good for arranging final versions of a song. The whole concept of "scenes" is just weird and the fact that patterns are linked to each other in regards to length, and the smaller patterns cannot be individually edited but are copied blindly is just foolish.

 

See my recent posts on this issue, this gripe should have been fixed by now.

Is Native instruments simply ignoring the problem?

 

I think the bigger issue is they tend not to communicate about what their future plans are too much.
So for people who've been waiting a long time for a bug fix or feature to be implemented, it becomes a frustrating waiting game, and a bit of a crap shoot. Kinda like waiting in line for a really long time, and it's not going anywhere, but you're closer to the cash than when you started. Do you quit and lose the time invested waiting? Or wait it out until the bitter end?

N.I. could mitigate a lot of misplaced user expectations if it managed its client facing communication differently.

We will probably see some kind of addition of free audio tracks in 2016. But that's no guarantee of full DAW like features.

In fact, to be fair, they have stated in an interview that they don't want to go all in on a DAW environment. And as many have noted, how could they even catch up at this point?

They also risk pissing off a lot of long time loyal customers if they add DAW like features and ignore other long standing issues. They're in a tough spot at the moment to be honest.

The way forward, as noted by several here, is better DAW integration. And why they're dragging their feet on this is a mystery.

 

NI is now in the business of selling Boxes.

Big Hi-end solutions which never quite deliver on those promises.
The last thing NI wants is people using their sounds without their integrated hardware.

As a way of quickly accessing sounds and categories of sounds Maschine is priceless.
Its default effects aren't too shabby either, but it is not a DAW. There's no way you would
use it to master a track. It has a place along side a proper DAW as a tool to sculpt that
perfect sound, that perfect group of sounds, but it needs to wake up to that role.

Right now NI are just delaying the inevitable.

 

Since I'm tied to Maschine because of my Ultimate Crossgrade ( I Havve a s61 which I'm really happy but they do not want to transfer my crosssgrade on it even if it's elligible, them, nasty lill' money grabbers !).
So I'm making regular updates on Maschine even if I've not been using it for two years beacause of the obvious reasons exposed in this thread...
Then came this guy : http://www.shaduzlabs.com/blog/19/maschinio-is-dead-long-live-maschinio.html
Will turn this useless black box into something highly desirable IMO. Not to mention I would happily use Maschine outside of NI's control just to evacuate years of frustration !!

 

http://www.shaduzlabs.com/blog/17/hacking-maschine-how-it-all-started.html

This Kat is on another planet and good for him.....

 

Obligatory monthly bump. My Mk II is collecting dust until I can use Masching without its horrible sequencer in Ableton Live.