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Making a set of G2-style modules

Discussion in 'REAKTOR' started by Chet Singer, Oct 7, 2009.

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  1. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    I’m glad to hear it! I’m almost finished with an initial set of 82 modules. What’s left to do is add flyover help to the panel controls, add tempo sync to the delay modules, and patch together some example instruments for inclusion in the upload. I hope to finish it up this weekend.
     
  2. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    well, i sort of see what you're saying but generally people use the G2 a bit differently than a traditional modular. on a regular modular (or even on your great ensemble) you're locked into a specific set of modules and make your patches from just that set of pre-configured modules. i'd guess that it's pretty rare that someone using the G2 would make a traditional module structure and then re-patch that for each sound. generally people just pick and choose the modules they need for the job, wire them up (which is *so* much easier/fun on the G2) and save the patch. the G2 uses its own 'snaps' in the form of eight 'variations' for each patch which all use the same module structure and patch routings (well, it'd be different in this regard as compared to yours where each snap could have different routings). sometimes a set structure is good, sometimes it's a bit limiting. with something like Reaktor (or the G2, etc) i see it as a bit pointless and unnecessary. whereas i sure wouldn't have the guts or knowledge to rip into your ensemble and start modifying it, with something like what Chet is doing (assuming it works as i think it will) it would be much easier for the novice to build their own synth structures without dealing with a lot of the headaches that Reaktor imposes. i hope this makes sense somewhat.

    Chet - (not getting my hopes up, but...) any chance of some sequencer and/or sample playback modules? also, am i right in thinking that the OSC/ENV relationship is similar to the G2? as in OSCs are constantly outputting their signal, which is then fed *into* the ENV for shaping? (looks like that in the pic, but i'm not completely sure.)

    [... of course any gripes i might have with the way Reaktor works is mainly due to my laziness and lack of effort put into learning it. :D ]
     
  3. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    I haven't created any samplers or sequencers yet. I'd like to, but my experience with them in Reaktor-Land is pretty limited. Still, it should be pretty easy to create some sampler modules.

    Yes, the oscillators and envelope generators work like the G2 versions. And the envelope generators all have built-in VCAs, too (except now the VCAs are stereo).
     
  4. herw

    herw NI Product Owner

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    back to the entrance:
    Important is to refresh the idea of a library to get more inactive REAKTOR-user into the boat. Go straight forward Chet!

    ciao herw
     
  5. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    sounds great Chet! i'm wondering if others might adopt this 'standard' and help to create some more types of modules for it. this could be a really good system for new users (maybe?). really looking forward to trying this out, i'm wondering if i might be able to 'clone' some of my existing G2 patches.
     
  6. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    Should I skin these things in metal, or leave them plain?
     

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  7. PeterW

    PeterW NI Product Owner

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    Please leave them plain, especially if it means you can upload sooner ;-)
     
  8. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    OK, it's been uploaded and can be found at http://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=8838
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    I tried including some additional files in the zip upload, including a directory tree with the modules organized them, and some example instruments. But the zip file wouldn't download correctly.

    So now the upload contains the modules only. Is there a way to include in the zip file additional folders that include macro and ensemble files?
     
  9. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    well, i must say that they look very good in 'metal' too! i sure won't be complaining though. :D

    this is great, can't wait to get some time to play around with them. thanks so much, Chet!
     
  10. exper

    exper NI Product Owner

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    These sound great! The supersaw.ens was quite warm and full. Can't wait for the extra files. Basically is this intended to save all of the individual macros to a few folders and just pull from them like with the G2 editor?
     
  11. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    Thanks for comments. I've got a whole list of things I'd like to do. First up is a replica of a Moog 914 fixed filter bank.

    Yeah. I tried to do that by including a directory tree with all the modules inside the zip file. So then it could be placed in the macro browser directory and automatically show up. But the presence of those directories in the zip file broke the download, so I'm not sure how to get them up there. It's certainly a whole lot easier to use them when they're organized in the macro browser.
     
  12. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    as was noted by someone else in the 'comments' section, the available download only contains the Control Voltage modules folder. :(
     
  13. herw

    herw NI Product Owner

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    HI Chet,
    you have to use only ONE FOLDER when uploading to the user library.
    A work-around is to put the macros of a subfolder into an ensemble and upload those "macro-ensembles" in one folder.

    ciao herw
     
  14. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    jbuonacc, the zip file now contains both the ensemble with all the macros in it and some sample ensembles made with the macros.

    But not the "Ampere Modules" folder with the individual "mdl" files. It looks like the UL only accepts "ens" files inside the zip file. I tried placing the directory tree with all the "mdl" files into a zip-within-a-zip, but the UL won't include it when downloading. This is frustrating, because each user has to export the macros and build their own directory if they want to use the macros in the browser. Grrr.

    herw, I don't understand your work-around.
     
  15. herw

    herw NI Product Owner

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    hi Chet,
    i think you want to upload a main folder with some subfolders with macros inside which is very comfortable to the user.
    NIs library accepts only one folder maximum with all the ensembles and macros inside.
    So if you want to keep a tree order of folders you can put all the macros (f.i. oscillators) into one ensemble and name it osc-macros. Same for other classes of macros.
    So the user can copy all the oscillator macros into his own subfolder. It's only a bad work around and help for downloaders.

    ciao herw
     
  16. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    Well, I've uploaded the modules and directory tree to electro-music.com, and let's see if they can be downloaded from there.

    The link is at http://electro-music.com/forum/download.php?id=19910

    OK, it works. But if Howard isn't happy with this, I'll have to remove it.
     
  17. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    excellent, was able to grab it from E-M. the User Library download is still the same though. i wonder how exper was able to get all the files from the UL though?
     
  18. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    You must've been one of the first to download the file. The download now contains an ensemble that includes all the modules, plus some additional ensembles that contain instruments made with them.
     
  19. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    hmm, just downloaded it again (from the UL) before posting above and it's the same as last night (1.15mb, with just the CV modules in the Ampere folder). anyone else try downloading the current file that's up there now?

    also, i downloaded it from the UL last night *after* exper had commented on how much he liked the super-saw oscillator. weird.
     
  20. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    The current version is 5.1. Perhaps you're downloading something earlier. I should go back and correct my previous link.

    Edit: It appears that I can no longer edit my post that pointed to version 1.0. And while I've deleted it, it can still be accessed by referring directly to the link. Yech.
     
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