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Making a set of G2-style modules

Discussion in 'REAKTOR' started by Chet Singer, Oct 7, 2009.

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  1. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    doh! didn't realize you made a whole new entry, i was still downloading from the original 1.0 link that you posted (i figured you were just updating that entry).

    :eek:

    just grabbed 5.1 though (as well as the file from E-M), i'll play around with it later tonight. thanks again!
     
  2. jbuonacc

    jbuonacc NI Product Owner

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    got a chance to check this out for a bit, had to install the NI Service Center and upgrade Reaktor first. really nice, i was able to string modules together with ease very quickly. this sort of functionality is something that i've always wished for in Reaktor.

    am i right in thinking that every ensemble needs both the Stereo Voice Combiner *and* Stereo Output modules? also, what's with the bipolar control for the filter frequency knob? not sure that i understand the reason for that. i'll probably have some more questions/comments as i play with it more...

    thanks again!
     
  3. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    Every instrument should contain a Stereo Output module because it reduces the output levels from +/- 10 volts to +/- 1 volt. The Stereo Voice Combiner is required only when the instrument itself is polyphonic.

    The filter (and oscillator) frequency knobs mimic how the Nord G2 works. Each filter has a center frequency controlled by the knobs. And then the MIDI pitch signal coming out of the Pitch & Gate module isn’t always positive. It is 0 volts when playing E4 (MIDI note #64), positive for higher notes, and negative for lower notes (E5 is +1 volt, E3 is -1 volt, etc.). This is exactly how the G2 handles pitch, except that on the G2 each semitone is a “Clavia Unit”, while in these modules each semitone is 1/12 of a volt.
     
  4. exper

    exper NI Product Owner

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    Chet, I thought you might find this interesting...

    http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-35453.html&postorder=asc

    He's no where near as close to what you have accomplished, but I think he's working on a way to use "patchpoints" that look just like the G2 interface... I didn't read everything. Just posted here for interest...
     
  5. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    Yeah, I’m familiar with what he’s attempting. He wants to clone the G2 precisely, even to the point of using integer math because the G2 uses 24-bit integer DSP chips. That’s aiming high. Me, I just paste in Reaktor’s filters.
     
  6. machinehermit

    machinehermit Forum Member

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    wow, that guy at electro-music is insane!
    Chet, I really love what you are doing though. I think in the end what you are doing may end up less like a G2 clone and more like a semi-standard way to produce macros, which to me was a huge mistake that NI did not develope common practices for originally so that macros could truely be modular and not just modular in the sense of reuseable programming functions.

    I really hope NI sees what this guy is doing and puts in patch cords...
    The only community that has as good of programmers as reaktor is the NM community in my opinion...forget those academic cycling 74 wankers..

    I can't even imagine what would come from a collision of our two universes..they could seriously put the G2 out of business..
     
  7. exper

    exper NI Product Owner

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    Unfortunately, the G2 IS out of business. Nord discontinued them now...which makes me want one even more at this point. Wish i never sold my micro modular.
     
  8. Poster

    Poster NI Product Owner

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    fantastic effort, really..

    suggestion:
    would be very useful if the bi-polar knobs would have that little triangle 'center reset' button, as on the Nord..
    it's now very hard to see if a dial is even bi-poplar, let alone resetting it to zero..

    cheers..
     
  9. Chet Singer

    Chet Singer NI Product Owner

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    Those little clickable G2 triangles would be neat, but I don't know how to make them.

    I tried to use Jonathan's 'bip' knobs instead of the 'uni' knobs when the controls are bipolar, and made the centered value the default. But I don't have the gui skills to do more than that.
     
  10. Poster

    Poster NI Product Owner

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    no worries..
    I just found the contextual 'Set to default'..
     
  11. Poster

    Poster NI Product Owner

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    re: v10 - Spectral osc

    hi Chet,

    the Spectral osc was really something I was looking out for.. great!
    I still use my NM1 for the Spectral and Formant oscs,
    have even sold a G2 because it doesn't have these oscs.. (the G2 also has less gritt, different story..)

    though the Ampere spectral osc 'sort' of does the same..

    I think the main difference is that the NM1 spectral osc can switch from All harmonics to Odd harmonics..

    the Ampere spectral osc seems to only be doing the All harmonics part..

    I have made some screenshots from the NM1 spectral osc..

    when you look at the first row it shows a wave going through All harmonics shape..
    this is what the Ampere spectral osc does; a sort of sine > tri > saw'ish sweep..

    the second row shows a wave going through Odd harmonics shape..
    sine > square'ish

    all in all the Odd harmonics setting really sounds like a square..
    hope you're willing to investigate and rebuild the Ampere spectral osc..


    side note;
    I found that the SumSynth from the library almost does what the NM1 does..
    it can sweep from All to Odd harmonics..
    maybe worth looking into?

    cheers..
    Marco
     

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