Maschine 1.8.1 Sample Edit Issue!

Yeah, I don't know if its snapping or what, it feels like its trying to snap to something, whatever it is, it should be an option to turn off as it seems some people like it, I'd prefer to turn it off, it actually slows the speed with which I edit my samples now since its not as accurate IMO

 

Even though you can move from one sample point to the next faster, the fact that you have to tinker more with zoom and try to turn the knob real slow to land where you want makes it take longer. Also, when you go to shift + adjust it then gets super slow so there is more time trying to nail your point there. Even though you get to the general area faster your either overshooting and backing up or with shift you need like ten turns to move the marker.

The best way is to make it like it was and add a real snap to zero option. With that on it will move faster but actually help by finding the zero for you instead of a random jump. Would rather shift make it go faster too and make normal adjust even finer.

 

To me it looks like it is detecting the next transient, if you want to fine tune the sample a little more just zoom out. May be it's just me, but I tend to listen more to the sample than looking at the where the cursor lands.

 

Even if it was snapping to transients or zero there should still be a way to toggle that. I think it just looks like it is doing that because it is moving by larger increments.

It's just harder to find your precise points unless you zoom close. The only problem I have with that is you loose visual of the waveform which is a good aid at finding positions easier.

Also, even if you like the jumping by large increments, the shift + knobs now being too fine is a step backwards no matter how you look at it. In 1.7 it was plenty precise using shift. Now it's unnecessarily slow to the point that shift + knob in sample edit is almost unusable.

In summary, it is faster now when zoomed out but you have to zoom in to far and loose visual to find your points. Even zoom is to rough and hard to nail the right zoom level. You literally have to do it strictly by ear now unless you are full screen. Shift + knob is now worthless.

 

Even if you prefer to listen to the sample and edit instead of looking, that will not fix the fact that turning the knob moves too much lol, I can listen all day long and know where I want it to be but if it takes longer to get there than previously, it's an issue

 

Exactly! Perfectly expalined!

I wonder if the guys that are happy with this new method are chopping really long samples. Like in my video, that started out as a whole 5+ minute song that I truncated down to 1:38, then that is chopped into 104 pieces. Truncating it was a nightmare. Then I sampled a drum break later in the session; only about 8 bars, and while the issue was still there, it wasn't nearly as bad as the longer sample, and neither was adjusting the attack/decay. So for some reason, it seems to be a lot more extreme on long samples.
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Load a 5 minute song and try truncating it down and then come back and tell me if you are still happy with it!

 

Point taken.

 

hahahahaha, all good man, we all have different methods of working, it's just not fun when something disrupts it lol. Hopefully they allow an option for this current way or the old way.

 

yes an option would be very nice. its really irritating sometimes trying to get the points exactly where u want them.

 

it's also pretty wild how much more accurate it is zooming in on the sample editor with the mouse compared to the controller. it zooms in pretty close and then just jumps way too close.

 

its not only doing it with editing samples..its doing it with vst parameters too.

just been using korg ms20 and when i tried to edit the parameters with maschine hardware it did massive jumps but if i used my korg ms20 hardware controller it adjusted the parameters normally.

it also wouldnt let me do automation using the ms20 controller i had to use the maschine hard ware but the automation was all ovr the place i turned the knob and at first there was no data being recorded then when i got just over half way the thing decided to start writting automation data but it was useless as it wasnt what i wanted so in the end i had to use the paint function.

as i use 1.8 more and more im finding things i dont like about it.

 

Not here. VST parameters seem the same as or better than 1.7 for me but I always thought that was too coarse. I think the default knob res is 360 degrees for full turn but I think it should be at least 2x that. Very slow turns move by 1 but slow to normal turns it jumps by 2-3. Shift + knob on VST moves in exactly 1/10% increments like always but the sample edit screen it is moving by like 1/100ths.

You must have a hardware issue with knobs if this is happening on VST. Others have reported hardware knob issues since 2 years. I think that is why some think it is better because they have faulty knobs and maybe the update recalibrate it or something.

Automation recording just fine here as well.

 

VST parameters fine here

 

i shouldnt have hardware issues my controller is only a few weeks old.

 

Don't know unless it's a problem with USB port or driver. Do you get this with other instruments? VSTi or AU?

 

i gotta dig this thread up. last night i did a lot of sampling in 1.8 and got a chance to really try out the new knob resolution. i gotta say it is SO MUCH BETTER in 1.8. I would caution anyone who thinks that it is worse than 1.7 to actually sit down and try it for a little while - really it only took me about 10 minutes to see how much quicker and more accurate it is now in 1.8.


yes, that's right, the knobs are now very accurate.

try this: browsing from hardware, selecting between FX and samples used to be so stupidly hard. it would always overshoot everything in the list. the slightest rotation would take you from sample to sound, it used to be so frustrating. try it now! IT IS CRAZY BETTER! you can sooo easily go to any bank you want. it never overshoots!

to the people who don't like the sampling edit mode. try this:
ok yeah, if you only use the start/end knob you're gonna have a bad time. BUT put one hand on the start knob, and the other hand on the zoom knob and use them together. It takes a little bit of practice, but once you get used to doing them together it is SURGICALLY accurate. man. i can dial in chops so quickly now. i love this sampler!

I don't know what kind of magic NI did, but please don't let change it, it is so much better. dudes, stop being scared of this 'new thing' and just try it out for 10 minutes. I'm sure you'll come to realise that the knobs are now WAY better and more accurate now.

Damn, it is so good it feels like i've got a brand new maschine. they aced this. the knobs feel perfect.

 

its possible to get used to but its a real ugly addition if you use long samples, my only problem with it is the zoom sensitivity on long samples when using the controller. why can't it be as accurate as using the mouse considering they are endless encoders.

 

i mostly chop 5 minute-ish samples into 16 bar loop sizes and for that kind of work, it is way faster than using a mouse when i do it.

 

We are not talking about the way knobs are working in other modes. I will have to agree it seems slightly better everywhere else. However, they specifically lowered the res of the sample edit screens compared to everything else and this is the issue. We just want the knob resolution on the sample editing tab that was lowered by half to go back to normal. I use the start end + zoom too. The problem is the zoom is jumpy too like all sample edit knobs so it's tricky and takes more time to find the right spot. Plus, to get the desired precision, you have to zoom all the way down and loose visual of the waveform.

The shift+ knobs in sample edit were changed too. However, I learned that before you could not edit down to sample level in 1.7 because it jumped increments even when zoomed in. Now, shift + start/end knobs are real slow but you can edit down to precise samples. So I think overall this is an improvement. Still, if they put the other non shift knobs in sample edit back to normal resolution you won't even need to use shift unless you specifically need to edit at sample level.

 

dunno, granted you feel good about it and that's a good thing, but having to use 2 or 3 knobs to do something that only took one isn't a good thing in my book whether you can get used to it or not, you know you can get used to anything, but 3 knobs shouldn't be faster than 1 … do you know what I'm saying
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hopefully they allow us to toggle this on an off if they keep it.
so let me clarify what you're saying, before it was smoother and took less but it was worse for you right…. so what exactly made it worse for you before. Your feelings about this might really help them understand whats going on.