Maschine 2.4 Is Here

Just to be clear, my comments were not absolving the constantly negative, but referred to valid complaints/suggestions, even if they are repeated and therefore well-known by regular forum users. However, I never said to stop visiting and contributing to the forum, just to ignore the stuff you don't like. And I only really said that because some of those complaining about the complainers are ones who suggest that they shouldn't use Maschine because there are a few things they don't like about it. Clearly, the irony was missed.

Bottom line is that NI themselves could help with this negativity more than anyone. I agree that some will complain no matter what, but even a comment or two about Maschine would go a long way to giving the long faithful some hope.

 

anymore expansions?

 

@Mr36 I agree with what you just said. And sorry if I was ranting but the negative tone around here has got a bit overwhelming. I just wanted to defend AntonA1 as I get exactly what he was saying and did not take him to be a fanboy or someone with his head in the sand. I think we can get our complaints and suggestions heard without turning this place into a total dump.

I mean, Anton was right in that there is more to this forum then tech support and complaining. If it was just that then we would not have enough to say to post everyday or even every week. So it's a given that this is also a community where people with like interest hang out. Given that, why spoil the community? I think we need to balance some of that negativity and channel it elsewhere. Like I said, if a person can't find anything positive to say then just take a break and not post so often.

 

Fair enough. But Mr Righteous, you do remember you're a moderator here, don't you? You have the power to stop this negativity!

 

That's why I posted what I said. I usually fire a warning shot first.

 

I'm with b-righteous in a way

right now, complaining in this forum will not achieve much. it may have done previously but this is a new NI right now. one probably run by bean counters and marketing managers. what they would have to respond to is official tickets being raised and perhaps petitions. well that and slumping sales

if every week they were receiving 100+ or so official tickets asking for features etc then I'm pretty sure they would have to be more vocal and / or responsive

 

Interesting that several people have been posting what some of you would regard as 'negative' comments, and several have been liking them, not just one person. Not only that these comments are pretty much backed up.

I'm not one to use derogitary comments like 'crying like a baby' and for singling out demonizing individuals just because I don't like what they say. The only time you may see me do that is when somebody decides to launch a personal attack, or make some sort of childish suggestion that has no basis of reality.

This is a forum about Maschine, the negatives and positives should be discussed. If you want stamp out any of that out you are partaking in a censorship exercise. If there are any threads or posts you dislike either argue why they are wrong or create a thread that you might prefer and get on with your life.

It's sort of sad really because the actual reason why this discussion is taking place is that NI is not communicating and/or not fixing issues with Maschine. Consequently people are just picking on their fellow forum posters because there is nowhere to target their frustrations. If that changed I suspect the forums could be what you would regard as a happier place.

 

how many people have consistently 'complained' on this forum (myself included) and then how many people have consistently filed official tickets with the same vigour and regularity?

I know I haven't...

reminds me of people complaining about political administrations but then not voting or doing anything instead preferring to shout into the void...

 

I have many times. One thing I haven't done is attempt to argue and complain at them. One thing they haven't done is respond.

 

well done. perhaps this just needs mass and regularity. that or just post here endlessly. this needs a workable solution

 

I would agree here though, please create tickets and send them to support. Voices need to be heard... Point to my bug thread if you like.

Slightly out of date, the Sonar issue is fixed, not much more..
https://www.native-instruments.com/...outstanding-bugs-as-of-maschine-2-3-1.261276/

 

a good place for all of these negative energy could be possibly music?

possibly something like that? Thanks to Burton C.Bell

Only a suggestion
DaSoLi

 

Am i the only one, who has weird sample rate problems with maschine 2.4 in logic??

 

WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IF NI WOULD JUST EXPAND MASCHINE INTO THE DAW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE JUST WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! LOL I'M ONLY PLAYING, I COULDN'T HELP IT GUYS I HAD TO TAKE THE SHOT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME, BUT NO I DON'T USE LOGIC. CAN WE GET THIS GUY SOME HELP?

 

Please start your own thread, giving more details about your setup and what you mean by "sample rate problems".

 

just created a ticket about 'improvements to Maschine'. will try to do so twice a week (a 5 day week) with regularity. I suggest others do exactly the same and flood their inboxes

just updated - are Arturia plugin's supposed to show a view in the 'Mixer' view or not? I can't see it in mine...

 

I'm glad to read that someone can do something other than cry about this update. Maschine is the best thing going right now... even without this update... Everybody whos bent out of shape more than likely suck at making music and want something that basically make music for them... Maybe you should switch to fruity loops.

 

From personal experience I can say, I didn't really start getting somewhere with Maschine until I embraced what it actually is. It's not a DAW nor is it trying to be. It's an instrument that gives you a physical object to interact with that leverages the power of your PC, and all the effects/instruments associated with that. From its first iteration it had a long way to go to even deliver on that promise.

Let's not forget what Maschine started as. You couldn't even load VSTs at first. At that point it was literally just a controller bringing that hardware "groove box" feeling to your computer, which was a revolutionary idea at that time by itself. And now that we're at 2.4 NI hasn't really strayed too far from that initial idea, and it's my opinion that it will not stray too far from it until they've perfected the initial vision of a "groove box" that leverages the power of the PC in a way other groove boxes cannot.

But based on the initial design of the product, with the whole concept of patterns and scenes, you could see the product was designed to very easily create patterns, manipulate them in several ways, and organize those into scenes. And even though you could arrange several scenes in a linear fashion to create an arrangement, it became apparent to me after much frustration, that wasn't really the intended use of scenes in the way Maschine was designed. Scenes were clearly designed to be "triggered" a la Ableton Live. In other words, I came to realize this product was designed to make the spontaneous and improvisational nature inherent in any tactile instrument that you can actually touch and manipulate physically a reality to those of us making music in computers. That was the clear priority in the design. And of course no other bit of computer music software was able to do that in the same way at that time, so it was a paradigm shift moment for computer music from manipulating objects on a computer screen with a mouse to actually touching an object without too much visual cues. Coming from a background of making music totally inside of computers, I had habits, that produced beliefs, about the way a piece of computer music making software should work. And this product did not adhere to those beliefs. So I had to deal with frustration. Yet, certain elements of the product were undeniable to me, and after a while proved indispensable to me.

So going back to the initial vision of marrying a tactile instrument with the power of computers, it wasn't even until 2.0 that they even brought in multi core support, which they said required a "complete rewrite" of the software. That was only a year ago, and really just brought the platform up to speed with the current processing power of computers, which is a whole cornerstone of the whole point of the platform.

Then they introduced drum synths and the mixer view, which were again extensions of the original idea of the product, IMO. The browser improvements and the creation of NKS again are again iterations of the original product vision IMO. The interviews with NI executives where they stressed that a major undertaking went towards making all NI products talk to each other is probably part of a larger business strategy around Eco system, which Apple has shown everyone is a great business model.

Anyway all that long winded stuff to say this: things like song mode, DAW mode, etc... fundamentally changes the product from something more comparable to an instrument into something more like compositional tool, and I would not expect any of those features in a 2.x release if ever. If it were to be introduced at all, I'd expect it'd be in 3.0 or 4.0. But really, I'm not expecting any of that, unless NI decides to abandon what seems to me to be their initial product vision.

In fact, if NI were to do anything, I'd expect them to make a separate DAW product/OS and integrate that into their own proprietary hardware computer, that has its own processor, ram, HD and sound card and deliver on the promise of a Kompletely integrated NI production environment and design language that you can plug any of their USB controller into.

Ok that's probably far fetched, but since we're all just speculating anyway, why not?

Some of you guys have some soul searching to do in deciding how you want to make music. NI isn't gonna hold your hand thru that process tho.

 

what were those beliefs you had, what'd you wanna do, change tempo in your song?

 

I think it's all a little less mysterious than you might think, you did see the video where the NI devs say they were inspired by the mpc right?
the mpc is not a daw and the development situation with maschine isn't that sophisticated as a problem, they hadn't reached groovebox status before the rewrite, and after the total rewrite they still haven't reached par level.... putting in a song mode in maschine wouldn't make it even close to a daw, maschine is the only groovebox without one unless you wanna compare it with an sp-404 or sp-303..... It's a midi controller, inspired by the mpc, that unlike an mpc doesn't have compositional basics..... what it was supposed to do was be ground breaking and surpass it's inspiration or maybe it wasn't and that's just what everyone expected I guess it really doesn't matter much. People like w. thomas are in complete denial, there isn't one shred of reality in what he posted and it's multitudes of post like that that have allowed maschine to gestate like this for over half a decade.
he obviously doesn't know what maschine isn't capable of and from what it looks like he doesn't know what fl studio is capable of either.

the good news is it looks like things are gonna change and hopefully for the better