Maschine 2.4 Is Here

It's a groovebox and is marketed as such. 'Song mode' is what I expect with Maschine (and certainly not a DAW). That expectation is lacking. It would not fundamentally change anything (having a 'song mode') unless they screw up the design. Maschine has not been marketed as an exclusive live instrument, 'song mode' does not stop or morph it into anything else, that's ridiculous. This is just something they forgot about and they need to sort it.

I get the DAW point however (I don't need Maschine to be a DAW either).

 

Source?
(Was it M E D I U M™ ?)

 

Can we all at least stop implying Maschine doesn't already have a "song mode"? The problem isn't that it doesn't have one, it's just that its song mode doesn't yet have all the features some users expect of a song mode and/or it's not how some users expect it to be (e.g., they expect a different "page" or "layer").
Again, I want many of these sequencing/arranging improvements too, but it's inaccurate to claim that Maschine is incapable of some of it already.

 

What Mr36 said, CakeAlex.

The thing functions in its own way, and I still think firing off scenes on the fly and capturing the audio is the best way to build an arrangement in maschine, which was an adjustment for me.

 

That's why I wrote it in quotes..
In future rather than song mode I will simply state I want the endless pattern looping restriction removed in scenes.

This really should not be that hard to develop, esp after two years we've seen far more complex functionality introduced.

 

that's like me asking if we could all stop implying that Maschine wasn't marketed as a 'Groove Production Studio' when it was/is and quit acting like it's that weird uncle in the family that doesn't know how to put his trousers on or walk and chew gum at the same time...
people have always been acting like steve jobs created this thing and everybody knows steve jobs doesn't like basic standard features..... well jobs didn't create maschine, the same company that made reaktor, kore, and traktor made maschine for freakin petes sake and they did it because of the mpc. please stop acting like god was working in mysterious ways when he made maschine sheesh, for the love of all beat machines!!!


(not you 36)

 

Fair enough. Several of these relatively minor changes to the way Maschine already works certainly seem like they shouldn't be too hard for a company like NI.

Not sure anyone implies it wasn't, do they? And it arguably does work as a "groove production studio" i.e., a (virtual) studio space that allows "grooves" to be produced. Whatever grooves are. Maybe people are mad because there's only WAV/AIFF export and no vinyl export.

 

wow, maschine has as many alibis as it has sample packs, nobody ever cut the mpc, geist, guru, motu bpm, fruity loops, ableton, etc... all this slack,
people act like maschine is not supposed to know what midi is, what song composition is, whatever

 

and yes they do, people imply that maschine is supposed to be anything under the sun but something that you're supposed to komplete a song in by itself

 

I get what you mean now. Fair enough. I'm pretty sure I don't really cut Maschine or NI any slack at all really though. Yes, I might sometimes be seen to "defend" what it can do, but am equally if not more involved with what it arguably "should" be able to do.

 

this is fanaticism and fanboi -ism in it highest form; like some people are just blind followers to the point its almost sickening to watch

 

I'm not really talking about you as I said cause I know what you know but anyways I really do think it's about to change. Either they are going to come correct with proper functionality, or they are going to say forget about it and turn maschine headlong towards traktor, or do a little of both but something is definitely got to give. the wolves are at the door.

 

I thought u was talking about characters like skins this dude would have a nervous breakdown if maschine folded; I bet that dude was crying when kore 2 got discontinued.

like this dude was mad at akia when touch was announced and now he mad at ableton for challenging maschines market position; smh

 

Nothing to see... Carry on

 

and guess what...

 

thanks for that long post @Frankknuck - in terms of it being an instrument, I would say it's been surpassed in that respect. the market has matured as have peoples educations into these types of soft/hard hybrids. with that in mind, NI have to mature the software. it's like trying to release a flagship resistive screen smartphone in 2015. the landscape has changed. the question is do NI have a big and flexible enough rudder with Maschine software 2.0?

 

What would you say has surpassed it as an instrument?

 

from what I'm seeing...Push 2

 

I'm glad you asked that question, but first what features exactly are you basing point/tag on?

this is why I'm asking, the sample editing on maschine is super dope and it excels at this, but my guess is that it's not the sample 'editing' that you are attributing to the 'maschine is a particular kind of instrument' tag. So if we move on to lets say the midi sequencer, anyone who's had experience with a midi sequencer either in hardware or software outside of maschine can tell you that the midi spec and sequencer is not up to standards, and do yourself a favor don't ask one of those people who don't believe in standards, unlike ufos standards really exist as does the word, it's not slang.
so the sequencer is underwhelming and that been easily recognizable from the beginning. This is not a case of for example ableton live before it went midi, and was just and audio warping instrument, something like that I would describe in the way you are describing maschine like yeah it doesn't have this and that because it was never supposed to i get the notion but from the beginning maschine had midi ports and a midi sequencer, the capability was just not even half done. you couldn't record into the sequencer properly, you couldn't record midi automation properly, you couldn't sequence your other midi gear that had the same midi ports that maschine has with maschine properly etc... I don't think that makes maschine an instrument but rather an instrument with a half baked midi sequencer..

you have no tempo control in your sequences, no time signature control in your sequences, no merging of sequences in your sequencer, no recording of mutes or solos in your sequencer etc.., it wasn't until recently that you could move the loop brackets while recording and get a little bit of functionality when trying to write a song and that although I'm grateful that it's feels like something that was just tacked on do to the lack of functionality that existed without it but even now it's not a 'solution', it's a work around for an issue. The scene arrangement in maschine is cool but it's just scaffolding, it's not a good example of a finished mode for anything and has always been incomplete.

now maschine has some great features, unlimited groups (requested this myself) that's dope, but have you ever tried writing a song with a ton of groups, it's a mess. Maschine is more like a mad scientist lab than an elegant workflow, it's got some very sweet features but it does not have the workflow to tie it all together properly and in some areas like the midi sequencer it's not up to par with the standards and is being outpaced by even some iphone apps. I can't look at any aspect of maschine and say yep that's where they made a decided choice to make it like this because this fits the maschine ethos. The only thing that fits that paradigm argument that you seem to be making is that maschine is a hands on control experience for the software and ok everyone gets that but all beat machines give you that hands on experience except the software only ones and even then there are many midi controller options on the market to control those apps, and while you're making the case that maschine is a niche instrument, native instruments is making the case that it's the production hub and center of your studio, what of that?

 

Yup...

And patterns always loops within scenes, the workflow as a DAW plugin totally sucks and there are performance issues. Plus there are several bugs. I might be putting myself out on a limb here but I suspect most people would have preferred NI to have paid attention to this over the last few years. It doesn't take a rocket science degree or some "survey" to figure this one out.... Maybe even visit the forums once in a while...