Maschine 2.4 Is Here

well I know allot of people don't think NI is listening but that isn't true, they visit the forums often, they know all of this stuff, they just haven't cared to do anything about this stuff until now..... hopefully.
they have a reactionary development culture and feel like what they should be doing is responding to competitors while at the same time claiming to be innovators....... I don't really care what they call it they just need to get maschine together. The putting in big showstopper features like vst, unlimited groups, and drum synths while leaving out the basic stuff that would make the software flow is hopefully a thing of the past, that's how they used to get more sales from new users and people just starting out in making music and then sprinkle all of that with sample packs but now all of those tactics have gotten old, even skins is asking why his sequencer don't seq-uen-cer, so we are on the cusp of a new maschine age and it feels real good. Other competitors besides akai and ableton are going to turn namm upside down.

 

Basically the ability to create a sound on the pad level, play it out live to create the "pattern," then combine patterns into relevant scenes. Then the ability to experiment with triggering the scenes live to improvise some kind of arrangement, with track mutes and macro knobs. All of this without ever needing to touch the computer (and that's not an empty promise), while still having the option to edit the midi/effects on the computer if necessary, and integrating vsts.

And oh yeah the hardware and the pads feel excellent. Just top of the line.

I owned the original push and it wasn't even close to delivering that experience, even tho ableton is certainly a more capable traditional daw. And the pads were too stiff. The new push looks like an improvement, but again the software was fully developed and the hardware was an after thought. It's not gonna be the same experience. haven't used the mpc option, but having handled their keyboards and some other hardware,i was not impressed with the quality of the hardware.

As much as NI has taken its time, who has Really caught up?

 

I agree about the first push controller, I didn't like the way it felt so I didn't even waste any time with it.
as far as your question, on the hardware side, the mpc has bested maschine for the greater part of most of maschine users lifespan, hence the reason for the devs saying on video that the mpc was their inspiration, as far as software, ableton and even acid have been doing this for much longer than NI. Now bringing the two aspects together so tightly integrated that goes to NI, but what difference does it make if you have to serve that integration with a platform that encourages you to use other applications to augment your workflow for the most simplistic sequencing and compositional needs, for example you said you're not familiar with the mpc option so maybe it looks to you like my feature request are daw based request but they are not, they are features that come from obsolete hardware drum samplers and grooveboxes from 20 years ago. I don't even personally want maschine to become a daw, just a capable groovebox. check out an old groovebox manual when you get a chance and you'll find out just how much is missing from the instrument that you think no one has surpassed. in the maschine world up is down and down is up, nobody has caught up to maschine yet because maschine hasn't caught up to anybody yet. If it was really the state of the art then there wouldn't need to be so many people augmenting it's capabilities with ableton Live.

 

I appreciate your posts and I appreciate the playability of Maschine as a live instrument.
What's harder to understand is who makes these kind of features and then forgets to make them recordable?

 

Fairly sure that the NI/Maschine developers didn't just "forget" to add or finish a feature off. Much more likely is that they couldn't get it to work the way they wanted in the timescale before the update was due and so it was left out and then other things (i.e., for the next scheduled update) took over and so features and finishing touches get left out. Or forgotten, if you like. Dammit, they do forget!

I'm not defending anyone here though. Having half-baked and unfinished features is one of my major gripes with Maschine. I've said it before, I'd really like to see a lot more "minor" bug significant fixes and finishes to Maschine's current feature set. Ideally, this would be alongside at least some long-awaited new features too, but I'd be happy if Maschine 2 just had its current feature set "finished".

 

Reinstating 'On the Record', and allowing us to ask questions towards points that are important for us would go a long way towards clarifying if this is on their radar....along with a bunch of other things we're left wondering about. Otherwise, I guess it's just more of the same old wait and see.

 

When they are asking to meet up with people for personal 'surveys', you known they have totally lost the plot. If they want feedback it's all right here, they just need to spend a single day looking through the forums. Pathetic really.. Guess it allows the marketeers to have a jolly and go out for dinner with their customers etc...

 

So yeah: http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/11/12/imaschine-2-lets-you-create-entire-tracks/

This may be the reason Maschine was being neglected...

 

"iMaschine 2 is the first music production app to take advantage of 3D Touch** – the latest interactive feature on iPhone 6s and 6s Plus."

Gotta say I'm really surprised Apple didn't include 3D Touch with the new iPad Pro....on second hand, maybe I'm not. . Oh well, I guess there's always next year. Good to see N.I. moving this app forward, and the Ultimate Collection offer is a nice touch.

This is a paid app, even for owners of iMaschine. Also, from what I've seen, I'm not sure it's any more capable of making song Arrangements than Maschine is. It's still Scene based from what I can tell....

 

No android version. Boo...

 

Yeah, that's bound to make quite a few people unhappy...hard to tell if they will make an effort to break out of the Apple ecosystem at this point.

 

It is humorous to me to see the shoe on the other foot. I am deeply rooted in the apple ecosystem and it was all to common to see a great game or program get developed for the pc while apple was ignored and the only comment form pc types was get a pc, its an apple what do you expect, buy a real computer etc etc.

Now though I would like to see NI open it up for other ecosystems if it make financial sense. I don't know anything about programming for android so I can't make that call but if they could generate some income why not!

 

There is good reason why many pro audio apps do not support android that I will not go into here. Has not been a good platform for that due to technical differences and high latency issues.

 

Marshmallow does seem to have addressed some of these and the software is only going to mature

I can only applaud this. one of the best replies I've ever read here

 

This should NOT be an issue with the latest android, with the scope of the maschine application. There are plenty of pretty complex android apps out there that allows you to sequence, some far more complex than the latest maschine app. They work very nicely indeed. Latency is not a big deal at all for this scenario..

 

How could latency not be a big deal when playing/recording an audio Instrument?

Not sure about the recent developments on Andriod OS regarding this. But if this is new then don't expect all to jump on top of it after being nearly unusable option for so many years. The audio industry adopted iPad because it was the only real viable solution. If all of a sudden Android is a contender, it will take time before you see things migrate.

And excuse my ignorance on any app or gadget development. Not a big gadget user.

 

This may be true, but Marshmallow is currently only installed on 0.3% of active Android devices.
I'm sure when there's ca$h to be made out of it, it'll happen.

 

lol. this is true

 

Interestingly enough, Bitwig and Fl Studio released touch platforms for Microsoft Surface Pro only. Of course that example is a bit of a red herring as Surface Pro is not Android based.

 

Just found my "old" iPhone 4 ...was happy about to have the reason now trigger iMaschine... so after updating.. was Change feeling fast. You need not only a iPhone to join This vip Party.. no you Need a new iPhone or at least iPhone 4 S. OS 8 is basic.
I think.. its all gone to fast..ALL half Year comes new stuff ..today new, tomorrow old and not supported. Anyways maybe one Day it will release for Android... hope not to Late because S6 Support will stay Not forever..