Maschine Expansion Resonant Blaze EXCLUSIVLEY for 2.0? Are you kiddin' me NI?

Would you rather NI allow you to buy the expansion, but not be able to use a good portion of it because you don't have the drum synths?

BTW my MK1 which I've had for 3.5 years now works perfectly well with Maschine 2.0, I was never forced to buy a new plastic box. To me that alone sets them apart from the type of company you're trying to brand them as.

 

I am holding off on Maschine 2.0 until most of the major bugs/complaints have been worked out, but I'm a little confused by some of the posts in this thread.

Can someone who has Resonant Blaze clarify- does this expansion include any samples at all (is it all Drum Synth kits)?

And if it does include samples, are they still provided as individual WAV files like in all previous expansions? That's important to me because I like building my own kits, and I mix/match WAVs from different expansions.

 

Its mostly samples. Here is a video I made demoing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sMpPCLp5ZU

 

Seriously dude what the heck are you talking about? hand programmed beats? Every single maschine library has been comprised of samples. This one is no different, with the exception of having some kits that use the new drum synths.

Annnnd Wrong again, dude. Multiple kits use the brand new drum synths, as already noted. Since drum synths are new to version 2.0, that certainly counts as making use of the new features. Some sounds are also using the new Plate Reverb.

Correct, 9 demo songs, but only 7 projects, but did you bother to check why? Easy: Two of the demo tracks are 'medleys' of various drum kits. Meaning, they aren't songs and there is no point including them as projects. I'm guessing you are the only person on this whole planet who is upset that 2 drum-preview medley's from the 9 demo songs didn't appear in included in the pack content.

 

Nope. This is the first expansion that uses samples heavily instead of programmed beats.

Maybe. And maybe I'm also the only one on this whole planet who is upset that the maschine 2.0 update is missing some promoted projects also.
So be it.

Let me clear something up. I'm not a hater. Yes, I hate that my workflow has been broken since the 2.0 update. And yes, after heavily tested 2.0 out with three other guys (almost 3 weeks and some sleepless nights) we came to the conclusion that 2.0 is a pre pre beta software. By far not worth to publish on it's current state. Yes, this is getting me upset.
Anyway, today NI released a Razor update wich is GREAT! If anyone got it in here already, you can see THIS is what we call good product support.

 

What does this even mean?

 

Like D&B wasnt/isnt based on samples....

 

Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything...... As for aggressive marketing? Eh? If NI are bringing out new expansions great...... Keep them coming...... As for new expansions only working with 2:0 well that's just the way of things..... It's called progress...... Nobody has to purchase anything...... It's up to the individual........ We are very lucky that we have choice....... With the new rewritten software it was inevitable that this would happen...... If some people are unhappy to pay for progress well that is their grumble......... We cannot expect all the R&D to just come out of thin air...... 2:0 is taking some getting used to for everyone, but it's like everything else that is new, it's different! When you are used to something and working with it it can be very easy to criticise, workflow ruined, can't do this cant do that, give it time, give it input, look for the positives....... In all my years on the Internet I don't think I have ever seen a forum that sometimes is just so negative....... And yes I do have issues with 2:0..... But everyone does...... Anyway Im off to play with the wonderful "Plastic box" that is Maschine Studio.....

 

100%.

You could copy and paste this sentiment in any new thread about any new product launch on this forum, and it would be relevant. Of course, you'll probably be called a "fanboy" for daring to have a positive outlook on things.

 

At least for me it makes a difference whether a whole beat is just one sample or instead is build up "hand programmed" (or whatever you call it in english) by a kick sample, snare sample and so on. This is what NI did in other expansions. Not in Resonant Blaze. I can't see any beat there that is not just a single sample. (Just look at the structure of "Liquid Sky" project for instance. Group B. how is that build up?)
You don't have to point out that Maschine is a sample player. Thats not my point. My point is that I'm afraid NI will forget it's "older" products and instead shortens it's life cycles to sell more new products without a descent level of compatibility.
I don't want to change my whole workflow every year. And the biggest mistake was to bring out Maschine 2.0 that early without any user feedback nor user beta testing. Now I see that NI doesn't give a statement about that mistake instead bringing out products that are not compatible anymore with a software that just works fine for most of the people i.e. 1.8. For me as paying customer it's a no go.

 

I can't comment on the content as I haven't bought this sample pack yet (I do intend to over the weekend though). But in regards to the inclusion of pre recorded loops and breaks, this is a DnB sample pack and it is an extremely common technique in the DnB production world to create a kick/snare 2 step loop and then layer a high passed break over the top.

So with that in mind, the pack is in keeping with its intended genre.

 

O.k. I've checked it out in detail now and must admit I was completely wrong about that "just one sample beats" statement.
In fact the beats are "hand programmed".
Don't know why I didn't see that last night and want to take back my statement.
Feel terribly sorry for that guys!
But there is no "heavy use of the new drum synths". So yes, all of the sounds are still just samples.
If I'm wrong on this too, please show me only one sound that is generated with a drum synth and tell me why this expansion couldn't be compatible with 1.8!?

Actually my concern was about the incompatibility for 1.8.

 

Frankly I think its a good thing that the expansions are starting to require 2.0. I still think that NI misses a lot opportunities since dropping Kore to make awesome sounding stuff that uses all of their products. I can understand that they want to make sure users can actually use the expansions without having to buy extra stuff, but NI has a full package (Komplete) with effects and instruments that they can really expand on. Kore had these great sounds that hit almost every major effect and instrument in Komplete, Maschine Expansions barely touch the included effects and barely touch Massive (in some of them). I want NI to show that Maschine/Komplete integration is not just about begin able to load patches and instruments but the ability to do crazy sounding things that can only be done in Maschine.

So to me if this is a sign that they are moving towards using more of the instruments and effects of Komplete and Maschine in future expansions I see that as a good thing. I want more complexity in these expansions with more moving parts. I want a mastering chain preset from NI that uses Solid Bus Compressor, Passive EQ, etc. I just want NI to really exploit all that they offer in Komplete.

As it stands this expansions uses very little of Maschine's effects and drum synths. There a few things here and there but no whole kits, and this could have been sampled if NI really wanted to. The plate verb is most likely the reason why this isn't a 1.8 expansion.

 

They did do a best test. Just a private one. Maschine 2.0 isn't very buggy for me. Works as intended for the most part.

 

Earlier in this thread, I listed some kits that make use of the drum synths (they aren't all "still just samples"). There aren't A LOT of drum synth sounds used, but they are implemented into this expansion.

 

For those wailing about lack of compatibility with 1.8, why not use the money you would have spent on this new expansion on a sample cd with interesting drums and hits and <gasp!> get to work in maschine's sampler compiling some original kits for yourself?

 

Samples are just samples and Massive patches are just Massive patches. Just import them into 1.8 and make your own kits.

 

Right. There are exactly 5 from 43(!) kits that use the drum synths (Betrayed Kit, Inception Kit, Reaching Out Kit, So Tek Kit and Want 2 Survive Kit). There are also only a few that make use of the plate reverb or other exclusive 2.0 features.
To make this expansion compatible with 1.8 was no problem for NI. They just didn't want it to make it compatible. And I have a clue why that is as I mentioned earlier in this thread. And I feel very concerned about it. That's all.