Maschine Jam's lack of sampler mapping- I'm the only one in shock?!

Sorry for this post.. but I have to vent my frustration somehow!

After selling my Studio I was rather looking forward to get busy producing and DJing with Maschine Jam! But maaaan oh man, why on earth there are no controls for the sampler?!!

Even just the basic in&your points!!

Cmon' NI, this is a deliberate low blow and sneaky tactic to get people to buy both

Please someone from NI respond!

And other forum members- what do you think about this?

 

Maschine MKI and II let you manage your samples the way you prefer. More, try adding Traktor to your setup for cuepoints and the likes

 

Maschine Jam was made to compliment the existing controllers. It might be helpful to make sure whatever piece of hardware your looking at purchasing has what you are looking for feature wise. That way your not shocked with your purchase and fully aware with what it can and can't do.

 

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Hey Guys,

I hope I'm wrong about this.. I was really excited about the Jam as I can use it along side traktor in my DJ sets. However I do chop, trim and edit a fair bit of samples when I work in the studio. I was under the impression I could edit start, end points etc. with the touchstrips but doesn't look like you can edit samples from the hardware. I don't own a Jam yet but I tried it in the shop.. If it's really the case it would be a deal breaker for me. Can somebody shed some light on this please? Also is it possible to switch to the mixer windows from the hardware?

Thanks in advance
No sample edit whatsoever on Jam. Also no access to GUI navigate for mixer toggle.

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U asked this the other day ? Before you purchase?

 

What ever made you think Jam was supposed to be a replacement for any version of Maschine? Actually, I don't see the hype over Jam anyway. Maybe it's because I have Push 2 and Ableton Live Suite.

 

I'm certainly entitled to have an opinion! I'm being vocal about what i think! It's a pretty dumb move NOT to allow some basic controls for the sampler.. And what's even worst, it was a **deliberate** action to strip away basic functionality! Not everybody is into finger drumming and not everybody need to buy two controllers to do what you can do with Push and the new Akai Live! i just need something quick and easy to sequence my beats, chop and edit my samples and launching clips during my DJ sets with Traktor..

I really hope NI come to their senses and allow this VERY BASIC function in the next update!

 

Yes i did asked the other day. And i haven't bought anything yet(thank god). I was just trying to see if people were frustrated as i'm about this odd choice of **NOT** allowing to control the sampler with Maschine Jam..

 

Ok , cool

 

Sample edit would not really be optimal on the Jam due to no displays. Also the strips are not exactly optimal for start/end as rotary encoders. Rather than waste time forcing a sub optimal workflow onto the Jam, they chose to leave that out and focus elsewhere.

Jam is not meant to be a full on hardware experience so you supplement it with a mouse or another controller. Thus the small form factor and cheaper price point. If you want a more full hardware experience then this is not the device for you and you should look at one of the other controllers. It is by nature a budget oriented and portable controller and thus the compromises.

 

Tbh add a mikro and your all set

 

Guys, the MIKRO has one rotary knob too- yet they implemented sample editing no problem! They could have easly let you trim the start/end points with the encoder/D-Pad or the strips when you open the sampler.

The reason why I'm posting it's because I really like the Jam and I was ready to buy..

 

Sorry but I have to disagree. Why would they include a full copy of Maschine 2 if it was meant to be an add on controller?

If they made it 100$ cheaper and NO bundled software I would understand.. But is not! So I'm expecting to be able to use basic functionality(sampling) on the controller.. If I have to mouse around anyway what's the point of buying a controller?

Also you say that is not ideal to trim sample with the touch strip.. How would you know?
You ok to "twist knobs" on the touch strip though, are you?

 

I'm sure Jam wasn't intended to do everything the other controller do and vise versa, this is probably why they all exist. Don't be shocked

 

Well be glad that you didn't spend 1k on a piece of hardware only to find out that they've hidden functionality away on a peripheral to try to force you to buy it, with only a promise about giving you access "later".


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Huh?

 

Because you cannot buy the software without one !

 

I recommend you a used maschine mk2 to associate it with your future jam. There is a lot to sell.

 

Have you ever tried sampling from a MIKRO ? Because you can't really slice with fine details. The encoder is the same as MK2 big encoder, meaning it has "steps", and not a smooth rotation. So yes the feature is there, technically, but it's not really usable for detailed adjustements.

Also you can't really compare Jam vs Push 2, from a price & features perspective.
It's more Jam+MK2 (998 euros on NI website) vs Push 2 + Live 9 Standard (978 euros on Ableton website).
As far as finger drumming : I'm not into this but having owned a Push 2, you have to very precise given the size of the pads. Not the case on MK2.
I have the combo MK2+Jam and it's excellent BTW. I tend to use Jam a lot these days - as my single unit. But as @hi-d-ho-man said, Jam is a different workflow tool. I'm not shocked it's not having every feature a 4x4 has.

 

I do have the Jam, and similarly am surprised that I can't even, in the software, apply a sample to the 16 pads which Jam highlights in Pad mode, as far as I can see.

Unless someone can point out what to do. It seems to split across the keyboard layout in some weird way then play back at a much slower distorted speed.

 

Are you applying it to a new group ?