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Maschine mk3 screen calibration ?

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Jeezo, Mar 29, 2021.

  1. Jeezo

    Jeezo NI Product Owner

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    hi guyz , i just got myself a mkiii last week , b stock and i m surprised how bad is the screen qiality versus my studio , mainly due to poor calibration.
    I can, via settings calibrate the screen on my studio , why can t we do it on the mkiii ?
     
  2. ShelLuser

    ShelLuser NI Product Owner

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    "Calibration"? Can you share a picture of some sort? Because I've been using one for almost a year now and I never had any impressions of the screen being misplaced or such. Could be an hardware issue perhaps?
     
  3. Jeremy E Shaw

    Jeremy E Shaw NI Product Owner

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    Is the screen defective or damaged? I am not aware of any 'calibration' options of any kind for the MK3 screen, and mine is flawless, bright, and detailed. So it was refurbished?
     
  4. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    Like others said something is wrong there...
    I've had the Studio, MK3, and M+, and altho the screens aren't all the same the difference in perceived quality is not noticeable at all.

    Post a picture and try your best to set the phone/camera aperture to match what you see IRL.
     
  5. Jeezo

    Jeezo NI Product Owner

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    Thks guyz for the answers ... basically the diff is like having a LG screen and a samsung screen , mkiii is bleu heavy while the studio one is more like night shift enabled (more yellow , warmer )
    It is bright , as bright and contrast is great also , angle of viewing hirizontal /vertical is imho inferior also , need to put the maschine mkiii more angled ...

    I wanted to do a AB shot but incan t have he screen displaying the same thing since maschine software will switch from to another exclusivily , and in midi mode , not enougth color and stuff to make it obvious via my phone .

    So if i understand well , no calibration option on mkiii versus studio , this might confirm different screen usage ?
    Notice my studio is one of the first models ...( got it straight when it was released) so they might changed the models later for the whole range ( keyboard/studio/maschines)
     
  6. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    That's color temperature, I dont remember noticing any significant difference or anyone mentioning that at the time the MK3 was released, maybe the way you had your studio calibrated was leaning towards a particular color temp thus making it very different for you now?

    This is very odd, it's IPS so the viewing angles should be great, mine is awesome from virtually any angle.

    The Displays after were "improved" in the MK3/M+, post #19 here, mainly for less power consumption so the new units could work with USB power only and not require a power brick. Now if this means it's a different display module or just some tweaks were made to the power delivery system (or display controller) is unclear. Lack of calibration options doesn't prove anything afaik.
     
  7. Jeezo

    Jeezo NI Product Owner

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    Thks D for your answer , i can assure you that the quality is inferior , screens in general and calibrated ones are something i'm dealing with since 2 decades , each time i buy a laptop or a computer screen it's high quality screens (HP workstations , dell precisions , 4 k 's ect ... all calibrated and with super vision angles) i even sometime buy sevral of the same laptop to get the right manufacturer) (LG versus AIO ect ....)

    Here's an exemple of 2 HP elitebook 8560w back then (2012)


    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fvKdydB7BxmxtXWLoNjcFCSaOVNiDJdC/view?usp=sharing
     
  8. olafmol

    olafmol NI Product Owner

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    Jeezo can you show us pictures/movie of your MK3 screens, preferably next to your Studio as reference? Everybody is guessing now what the issue is....
     
  9. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    No problem.
    Same, I've used high'ish quality consumer displays for more than a decade (600-1200$ range), before that they all sucked tbh, in the early 2000's I was rocking CRT's, everyone was...

    Different calibration doesn't necessarily mean inferior. It all boils down to what it is calibrated too, what's the reference... There are standards like sRGB calibration, AdobeRGB, REC709, DCI-P3 etc... Those color spaces all look different, not necessarily better or worse, computer displays usually have presets for different color spaces or use case scenarios, because there's several. On a really cheap screen, the calibration might be to some other non-standard.

    On a typical $1k or less laptop you're rather lucky if the display can manage 99% color calibration accuracy in sRGB and maintain it over time.
    We don't know how you calibrate your screens and what your goal/reference is so it might just be that the Mk3 factory calibration is set to another standard than yours... So in your shoes, I would try to gauge if that's the issue or if there is actually an HW issue with your MK3 displays because as a general rule when NI removes a feature... it never comes back. I wouldn't mind if they ported the calibration feature from the Studio, it's a nice thing to have altho it's far from a priority problem IMO.

    Here's a pic, 4 different displays including a Maschine+ (same screens as MK3), the 3 other screens come 'calibrated' yet they are all slightly different altho for most people it will all look the same. The M+ is a bit colder in temperature than the other ones but IMO it's negligible considering it's a music device and not meant to create or consume accurate video/photography content.

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  10. Jeezo

    Jeezo NI Product Owner

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    I can t have the same pic if both maschine a plugged , maschine will allows one to display stuff .... i will have to take on pic and then the other ...

    On your pic we can clearly see that level of Blue that is too much !!! hence my question for calibration i like screens warm not blue ... i can't understand why the option is in the studio and not the mk3

    I had a second mkiii same thing ....
     
  11. D-One

    D-One Well-Known Member

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    You can...
    Open two Maschine plugin instances in a DAW and from the File menu > Controller assign each plugin to a different Controller, or just use the HW Shift+Instance button.
    Or you can have one Maschine-plug in a DAW and the standalone app assigned to another controller, on a Mac you can even just use two different Maschine.app's if you duplicate the app and give it a different name.
     
  12. Jeezo

    Jeezo NI Product Owner

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    I know but they will not both display the browser for exemple ?!