MASCHINE S..ks ASS without a timestretch feature

okay you can sample but you can't do anything serious with your sample
unless your microsampling

if u wanna sample something u've got to record it import it in ableton or make a rex out of it than import it back to maschine

I think this should be the main feature for the next update they've got to come up with a proper timestrech feature like the one in ableton is perfect

it's killing me all that waiting you can't be creative without hustling around, always looking for other ways/directions to do stuff the maschine can't and wait for update's that won't do what u want to do with it

:angry: total disapointment

i'm tired of this stuff

 

Well, you're entitled to your opinion but I think you're wrong.
Maschine certainly does not suck ass.

Timestretch has never been a feature of maschine so why are you disapointed?
Do you not research your purchases in advance?

If ableton does what you want then sell maschine and buy live.

 

I dunno... I'm able to do tons of stuff without timestretch, but then again, I never used it on my mpc, nor do I use it much in ableton live.

so I'll have to say it doesn't suck, but I to would love to have the option, I'm sure once they implement it, it will be dope.

but it's not going to be in the next update, they already said so, the algorithm is very complex and they want to get it right.

 

than prolly we'll have 2 wait 2 more years and than they'll come up with a new controller etc like kore 2 etc you know how stuff like this goes :s

i'm not saying its bad i just think it should be the first thing they have to fix fast

i have maschine and i do use live but i want to use it as standalone to sample my stuffso that i can make groups patterns to use

i already used maschine for dj'n and other stuff just a little bit much disappointed in the sample feature

 

I think NI understands how imperative they need to implement this by now, as various members have already been very vocal about the omission of a time expansion/compression algorithm in Maschine.

 

Timestretching will be a welcomed feature but me personally I would rather see automated mute/solo and a much better song mode happen first. For a workaround until they include this feature, if you have ableton, why not just use maschine in midi controller mode to control ableton? I mean you would have the best of both worlds for your live dj setup. But I do understand your frustration, my suggestion to NI would be to include all the main features from these other groove boxes (mpc,mv,bpm,ect.) so that no one could say anything negative about maschine, and the game would truely be over then. Peace.

 

true but like i said before maschine is ultimate if you wanna use the controller to dj
trigger anything etc the only thing that missed where faders but i had my uc-33e
still waiting for the x1
i do love native but sometimes u wanna do stuff u can't and that's frustrating

i just bought a musictech magazine about native and reading that i love it even more but

DETAILS R what make things exceptional and interesting

less iz more but without more there ain't no less

 

Time stretching is not what maschine is all about. Maschine is more of a sequencer, that is an event generator and pattern maker, than an audio playback tool. If you want to do lots of timestrechy stuff use Live, note however that you can always just work with rex or slice to transients which will allow you to change the tempo of your track without many artifacts (p.s. the artifacts of granular time stretching are pretty bad even in Live).

 

not gonna call u out yo name but time stretching iz an amateur feature..i use to love it when i couldn't fit loops into bars at certain tempos nd they would either be to short or to long..neva got it to work on any mpc nd i've been usin mpc's for mad years..(like 15 years..)lol..maybe longer i think but who cares..dis maschine iz a beast nd i kno iz gonna get betta.. fuc it jus do it the long way for now nd pray dat they'll slap it in one of da updates..

 

LOL

 

Just to add that although timestretching is not one of my must-have missing features in Maschine, people do use it as a creative effect and not just to fix looping/tempo issues.

 

mang everybody knows dat it's only good for dat or to fit vocals into remixed beats or vice-versa..lol..like i said not to call anybody out they name but timestretch is still bull..like i said"take da long route and den pray they add it lataz..

 

The quick and dirty way to timestretch, just like back in the good old days, is to change the pitch, which will alter the length.

There's an online calculator that will show you how much to adjust to get your new tempo here: http://www.thewhippinpost.co.uk/tools/tempo-pitch-calculator.htm

For a lot of sounds, like percussive stuff, the pitch doesn't make much of a noticeable sound change, so, this is pretty useful. If you listen to lots of old hip hop you can hear the pitched up change in guitar or bass as the producer altered the original sample.

All you need to do in Maschine is pitch up or down, to meet the tempo you want, then resample it internally, and you have your timestretched loop. This is the easiest way to do it until there's some pitch locked timestetching in Maschine.

I like a lot of control when I do alterations to the tempo of something, so I would go into Logic (Ableton can do it too, as can many other DAWs, and Recycle is great for this of course) and do the stretching of my Maschine built sample or loop there, then re-import it. There's a bunch of free sample editors online that do pitch-locked timestretching, so you don't even need to buy a program to do this.

If you want to do the pitch-locking really old school style too, you can grab this awesome little program http://akaizer.blogspot.com/ and have your samples sound like they were processed by the Akai s950.

The Mac version runs as a command line interface in Terminal, but it works just fine, and its fun to play with the settings to get the right sound. I would love to see this kind of timestretching added to Maschine before seeing Recycle or Stylus RMX type, where you can't even tell the tempo was changed.

The folks that seem obsessed with a dummy-button approach to timestretching (the pitch function was there on day one, which is how everyone did it before granular timestretching came along, hell, even DJ's understand that the ±8% tempo sliders on their turntables so they can match tempos, and you have a whole keyboard of multiple octaves to shift pitch by in Maschine, which is WAY more than ±8 percent!).

Between being able to chop your loop into its own beats to play it in time with a new tempo, and being able to pitch other parts up or down that don't fit, I really don't get what the big issue is.

I mean, its fun to play with tempo-locked loops, but then you're just recycling and not putting your own touches onto stuff. Chopping and rearranging is what stuff like the MPC and Maschine is for, if you just want to sequence arrangements of loops, Garageband, Ableton, etc is what you want. You don't use a paintbrush to hang drywall, you know? Pick the tool for the job you want to do. Push things as far as you can, creatively, but don't pick the wrong tool in the first place.

 

the big issue is not that you can't work around it but more for those of us who work in a time stretch centric way to continue getting the proper sound we are going after. I am well aware of the work arounds. but that is just it.... they are WORK arounds. I would be fine with a very simple non realtime timestretch like my 10+ year old mpc has but if i can get real time granular timestretching with bpm matching.... well that would be awesome. (and what I would really hope for) some of use use time stretching as more than just a way to get a loop in time.

 

i ain''t knokin timestretch..jus think is not a real creative effect or tool or wuteva u wanna call it nowadays.. i wanna know wut else is used for oda then settin a loop on time..lol..serious.. i kno y is good for me but i don't see anybody using this thing serious but for a little remixin and strechin a little vocals hea nd dea on pro tools..lol..das it..ya'll jus wanna waste real creative tools for a little b.s. feature..when u should be askin for wut ya'll really need..waistin developers time on b.s. feature like this 1..lmao..the when ya'll want a much needed feature or effect ya'll ain't gonna get ****..

 

I have so many quick solutions to time stretching already running on my machine that having another doesn't really make that much difference to me. I started doing beats with Garageband so I constantly popped in and out of it to run effects or make a sound it couldn't make internally. I guess that is part of why I am looking at the timestretching thing in Maschine as less of an issue. Plus, honestly, coming from the DJ'ing scene, I think folks making beats need to learn about pitch and its effect on sound, etc. Too many people just slap things together letting the computer fix it all up, instead of spending time listening to the sounds, seeing how they fit, making those little tweaks and adjustments... I'm not saying the software needs to be hard, but I like that Maschine rewards the user with a little ingenuity and study.

I do want automated real-time granular time-stretching, with the s950 12 bit sound at some point in Maschine, because outside of really messing with the tempophone style for flex time in Logic 9, there's no real easy solution for that. I'd love to have that twist of a knob type sample rate destruction of a drum break or vocal sample that I love from the early 90s jungle scene, and it would be killer to have that alter whenever you decide to mess with the project tempo or make some other adjustment.

All the seamless tempo alteration I can do on my own with the stuff I already have. I know it takes less time to export, REX, and reimport a sound out of Maschine than it does to timestretch on the MPC, at least the models I am familiar with. Maybe its become faster on the newest ones. Sort of the same issue for me with opening a sound file, grabbing the loop I want, checking it a couple times, running through a filter or normalize, or whatever, then dropping that into Maschine rather than going through the knob twisting stop and start points. I do love being able to further chop samples once i put them into Maschine though, so I have started to take bigger samples than I would have in Garageband or Logic, where I would have dropped them in as chops, instead of chopping one file into multiple regions.

Workflow is workflow though, and its different for everyone, but this particular problem has about a million solutions that would never stop me from using Maschine. It does too many other things well. I have been fixing the tempo on loops and sounds since day one, when I had two bars of one bassline and four bars of of a beat that I could never get to match up on the turntables, but four minutes later in Garageband through using the Apple Loops utility, I had them up and running in time and layered up in a bunch of ways.

In fact, I actually got so irritated with the pitch locking in Garageband, I would save out verisons of loops with no root key info, so I could get the pitched up sound without having to go in and change the pitch up or down in the software. Now that I am using Logic, I will turn off "follow tempo" and then switch to Speed Flex Time to hit the tempo correctly, and just stretch beats around to get the old school feel I want.

 

"i ain''t knokin timestretch..jus think is not a real creative effect or tool or wuteva u wanna call it nowadays.. i wanna know wut else is used for oda then settin a loop on time..lol..serious.. i kno y is good for me but i don't see anybody using this thing serious but for a little remixin and strechin a little vocals hea nd dea on pro tools..lol..das it..ya'll jus wanna waste real creative tools for a little b.s. feature..when u should be askin for wut ya'll really need..waistin developers time on b.s. feature like this 1..lmao..the when ya'll want a much needed feature or effect ya'll ain't gonna get ****.."
not to be rude but this is just an ignorant statement. to say timestretch is not that creative of a tool is plain simplifing the issue. the way I use time stretch can not be really achieved properly in something like logic (i don't use live so can't comment on it) or really even outside of maschine period. I use timestretchin along with my chops (not for loops except in special situations in which I need the pitch and key exact) but what irks me more about the post is that you belittle others requests claiming that there are more important issues to be dealt with and this useless feature would steal development time. this is just not right, see there are alot of other features people request that I do not have a dire need for but does that make them less important? no... we all have our own creative way of working and to say my way is better than yours is just ignorant.
as for "coming from the DJ'ing scene, I think folks making beats need to learn about pitch and its effect on sound, etc. Too many people just slap things together letting the computer fix it all up, instead of spending time listening to the sounds, seeing how they fit, making those little tweaks and adjustments..." this is exactly one of the reasons I love timestretch inside of my sampler because it allows me to more creatively warp a sample. outside of the simple dj style pitch and time style. (yes I have been doing that for years as well.) a great for instance would be something like alot of the madvillan tracks where the sounds are are purposely stretch to the breaking point to get the warbling effect. and no this can't be achieved with chopping. unless you were to chop it into about a thousand slices.
all I'm saying is remember there are infinite ways for us all to work inside a sampler sequencer. this is what gave the mpc such a great lifespan. don't missjudge something that has become a standard in samplers for a reason.....

sorry ,,,, rant over. (i had a bad day at work and that post just sent me over the edge lol. now to get back to the lab.) p.s. you asked what else it's used for so here are a few that I use timestretch for
1) breaking a sampled snare appart to turn it into a pad , sometimes even an atmosphere
2) stretching a loop to keep proper key while maintaining the flow of the sample i want. i.e. lets say I have a great string piece that I may want to have a darker feel so i pitch it down a bit, then stretch it to the proper length. this way I don't get a broke up sound.
3) over stretching to keep the pitch of a sample but make it sound more gritty and lenthen it out.
4)stretching a loop out then chopping (often times reversing certain slices in the chop) to deliver a proper gritty feel and yet not have it sound rushed.
5)timecompressing a piece to squash sounds into odd new tones. or even compressing a sound down into a new percussion element.
etc.

 

first off I started as a dj den I moved on 2 producin..second i'll crack dat ass on turntables or da mpc..wuteva you want. I been doin dis..third you jus explained da same thing 4 times in a row..you ain't gotta act gangsta up in hea internet thug..wut you a timestretch magician dat nobody could mess wit you on dat level maybe cause das all you kno?c'mon..I ain't new to dis..timestretch is weak..only good if you ain't got no skills..i'm a music maniac..ya think I started last night..in my family dis trade gets handed down.like I said I wasen't callin anybody out there name jus statin my opinion..it dosen't have to be right in yo eyes is my opinion.ignorant who.. I kno plenty about timestretch.the slacker effect/tool..and don't expect me 2 comment bac cause I gotta move to bigger nd betta things..PEACE..

 

the question was asked as to what creative ways timestretch can be used. I simply answered the question. so yeah um thats me acting like a thug... never questioned your skills nor would I give a **** about em.:lol: you been in this for so long , cool. so have alot of us. and alot of us realize there are alot of different ways to work you might work one way but alot of us work another.... you tell me how timestretch isn't a great tool? maybe you can teach me how it is your doing simple tasks like keeping the same pitch of a sample while dropping it's tempo 30% with out it sounding like utter trash? seriously i would love to know your trick...

 

C'mon U Rockin Da Samples Flatline'd?(meanin U Don't Speed Up Or Slow Down Da Samples)u Keep'em Stock?i'm Doin Hip Hop/r&b/dirty South/a Little Pop Cause I Play Keys...b Serious..who Uses Da Stock Tempo Of A Sample..c'mon Alot Of Hits Have Been Sampled Beats And All Of Dem Been Sped Up Or Slowed Down..i Ain't Doin No Country Or Acid Hop Or Techno..i'm Keepin Da Art Alive..i Pitch Up Or Down 'f' All Dat Same Pitch Nonesense I Turn It To My Pitch My Type Of Sound..u Buggin Man U Got Da Wrong Perspective On Music..learn Da Art..i'm Tryna Chop The Crap Outta Sample Nd Turnin It Into My Own Groove..not Takin A 2 Bar Loop Nd Straight Up Jus Loopin It In To A Sequence..dat **** Iz Borin..u Need To Take Wut U Got Nd Turn It To Something Complex..u Don't Want People To Hear Ur Tracks Nd Go'i Like Dat Enchantments Sample'..u Want Dem To Go"where U Fish Dat?lmao..i'm Done Here..i Can't Believe This Guy..u Knew Wut This Machine Had From The Get Go Nd Then U Gonna Talk Crap..this Thing Is Still In Da Makin..alot Of Stuff Is Still Missing..i'm Nice On This Maschine..i Put My Style On Everything I Touch And I Suggest U Do Da Same..i Don't Kno About U But I Don't Wanna Be Average..STICK TO DEM TURNTABLES..U TRYNA TELL THE CHEF HOW TO COOK?STAY IN YO LANE..TALKING BOUT coming from the DJ'ing scene, I think folks making beats need to learn about pitch and its effect on sound, etc. Too many people just slap things together letting the computer fix it all up, instead of spending time listening to the sounds, seeing how they fit, making those little tweaks and adjustments...LEARN HOW TO MAKE BEATS THEN RE'WRITE THIS LINE CAUSE U SOUND REALLY IGNORANT..A DJ. TELLIN PRODUCERS HOW TO MAKE BEATS!WUT'S THE WORLD COMIN 2.."i'm Done On This Subject..al Das Left Is To Battle!so I'ma Jus Leave Dis Subject Alone..for Good..u Could Have Da Last Word If U Want..peace Out People..






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