MASCHINE S..ks ASS without a timestretch feature

That kind of glitch-hop manipulation always seemed like such a pain in the ass even with the MPC, there's other samplers with better and much faster granular tools that I would have expected you to use before going to the MPC, hitting DO IT and waiting for 10 minutes to process the stuff, man!

For the way you work, timestretching seems really integral to the way you create your sounds, obviously. and I can see why you'd want an all in one solution for that, of course. But, if I was gonna do that, I would be making chops out of small hits in Maschine, bouncing the audio to a track in Logic, flex time to taste, resample into Maschine, chop again, resequence multiple times, resample, resequence, then you end up with a ton of variations on the glitched out snare drones or a set of really deep but multi-timbral sounding low strings under your brighter strings.

Have you played with sounds set to oneshot, but setting a loop at the middle portion of the sound, to create a looping sound that doesn't just replay from the beginning? I was talking to a buddy who does that all the time for the ends of his snare drum tails or bass hits in chopped loops that are slightly out of tempo, to keep the tail from knocking into the next bar. I think you could use that effect to create some really cool stutter/glitch sounds, by setting really small loops, and maybe using some note repeat with variations on pressure while playing, and then layering a resampled version of the sound with the original snare hit into a new loop, either a layered hit or a velocity variation. A little mucking with the ADSR and the loop points, you should get some cool sounds.

I think you might get a more natural sounding stretch type effect for the gritty lengthened sounds by using a combo of chops, and chops with midpoint loops with the bitchrusher fx on it, that way you get the original sound, lengthened up with small loops of itself, you can do that between the louder points in the sound to extend the lulls, and create a really moody rhythmic or arrhythmic bit, maybe experiment with the beat delay fx too.

I'd say this is your chance to discover some new new ways to make weird sounds before timestretching gets added in, man! You might find something you like, just based on a new way of working things out.

 

hey I'm not saying there isn't other ways to work. all I was saying was in reference to those who think timestretch is a waste of development time.
i could careless how long someone has been making music... good for you no one cares thats not what this forum is about.
I think people must not be reading the full posts or something.... so much anger over something so trivial .... makes me laugh... then cry lol

 

Calling time stretch a bs or amateur feature is a real stretch.

Even if it is just used as a tool to align loops or phrases or to keep a phrase in time while you change the pitch. That in itself is valuable for any type of sample or electronic based music.

A feature does not need to be weird or complex to be useful. It is like you guys want to validate it's importance based on how weird it can make your sample or how complex it is to use. The whole reason it is a useful tool is in fact how easy it makes it to deal with common issues when dealing with samples. That is, changing pitch without changing time and aligning time without changing pitch. All without jumping through the hoops of launching other applications, import export and mouse around all day. Is not ease of use the main reason we gravitate to products like Maschine?

I would rather focus on creating then doing awkward labor that the app should be taking care of. This is coming from someone who rarely uses loops and only needs time stretch on occasion. I still think it is a useful feature even if I would much rather have mute/solo automation.

On the other hand I disagree that Maschine sucks without it. The more creative types don't depend so heavily on time stretch and can get by without it.

 

I don't need timestretch.

 

if you'ld sample from records and use phrases from soul classics ,work with acapellas on a rmx basics ,you'ld need it ...
if i were doing hard trance or techno stuff i wouldn't need it either...

 

i always used my sample editor for time stretch. far better algorithms than all the realtime stuff (thinking of timestretch in kontakt).

 

that'll be a workflowstopper for me , plus i need the track to playback to get the sample in tune with the other instruments and control the overall vibe of the track...
btw the time stretch in adobe edition which i use doesn't sound better than than the real time in ableton to me...

 

Timestretching can and is abused just like any other algorithm. Timestretching a snare by 400%, cutting it up leads to all sorts of interesting percussive sounds. This has been a staple in many techno & IDM producer's arsenal for years. Look a little outside of your box.

+1

 

Don't the already have this in kontakt? It's not like they need to invent anything so why not give it to maschine? or is it because they want you to buy both?

 

The point is not to go through the hassle of import -export to another application.

Real time stretch can be and are just as good as offline. Kontakt is using an outdated awful sounding algo. Much better stuff available these days.

BPM is a competing product that has time stretch. I think the time stretch quality on that is going to soon receive an upgrade.
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+1 Very handy for these things.

 

1) Time stretch lack in maschine is NOT something to "FIX" but would be a really cool upgrade,

2) some of you guys spoke about converting the samples in REX, and then get back into maschine,

could you explain to me what REX files are, and is it really good?

say, I record my external synths patterns into wav in ableton live,

if I convert those wavs in REX, then load them into maschine,

can I change the project tempo and still have those synths patterns stay in time?

is it as good as ableton timestretch?

thanks



+1000 for a timestretch upgrade, I would be able to PAY a new upgrade of maschine that would give us so much stuff (timestretch, better midi sequencer - program changes, midi events, CC, SYSEX-, better song tools, better instance switch shortcuts...)

 

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/recycle/

 

thanks Lotuz, I have already checked the specs of recycle on the propellerhead site,

but it seems that is is specifically drums-parts-beat-slicing orientated, and my question is for more "linear" samples, like bass or synth parts...

I make my synth patterns with hardware synths, that I'd like not to have to bring with me when I play live, so I got to sample my synth parts,

for now I did it and it works well, but no way to change the tempo, and when I read some of you speaking of recycle, I thought it could be an option...

so my question, to be precise, is:

would recycle be good to make REX files from my wav synth patterns, and then play them in maschine with the ability to change the tempo without too much weird-sounding..?

cheers

 

No, Recycle works great on drum breaks and such, but you (and many of us) want something like the time stretch abilities of Kontakt (Time Machine and Tone Machine), only better sounding.

 

ok then,

I'll wait for the hypothetical future upgrade of maschine

(any official word by NI about this?)

thanks

 

Not that I know of. You'll just have to get on your knees and pray with the rest of us. :lol:

 

In the name of NI... lol!

 

ok, I'll stick with ableton timestretch for my synth parts...

anyway I'm not working with maschine standalone, so it's not a big problem, just have to set up a few tracks to load my synth patterns as clips in live, that could easily be triggered within maschine's sequencer...

just a bit more midi routing to do but I guess it's OK.

thanks a lot mates,

and long life to this beautiful piece of gear/software!

 

Guys, not sure if anyone noticed but as of v1.5, you can save samples as REX (Rx2) directly in maschine. This way you don't have to go out of the Maschine environment.

Load up a sample into a sound slot > Slice it up > from the Edit or Slice screen, click on the little drop down arrow on the top right where it tells you the length of the sample>Save sample as>Select Rx2 from the drop down list>You can now then load up a REX version of your sample and go crazy. Well, not literally crazy 'cause we wouldn't want that. lol. Enjoy

 

Good stuff, I did not know that. Thanks.