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Maschine Studio vs Ableton Push

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by digweedgr, Oct 2, 2013.

  1. digweedgr

    digweedgr Forum Member

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    Your thoughts!!!
     
  2. 73*

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    Maschine Studio & Ableton Push


    That is my plan. As for choosing only one, I won't venture to opine on that until 2.0 is release. That said if I had to choose between my Maschine MK1 with 1.8 and Ableton Push with Live 9 Suite, I'd currently choose the latter.
     
  3. mezzurias

    mezzurias NI Product Owner

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    If you want an out of the box experience while still working in the box. Maschine is the way to go (especially if you chop samples, etc). If you primarily work in the box but need controller for performances then Push may be a good solution. I use ableton with LiveControl or Touchable so push isn't my thing since I have what I need already, and while Maschine is the best Ableton controller (too much paging) it can work as one as well.
     
  4. KevWestBeats

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    Unless you bring Live 9 into the picture then we are just talking apples and oranges. Live 9 + Push vs Maschine 2.0 Studio. Ill wait and see but right now my money is on Live 9 due to it being a full DAW. Maschine 2.0 is a beat makers paradise.
     
  5. the hamburgler

    the hamburgler Forum Member

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    + 1 kevwestbeats and mezzurias
     
  6. KevWestBeats

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    But on the flip side Live is a much more powerful DAW than Maschine 2.0
     
  7. moroe

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    Live has many audio inputs for hardware synths
    Live has midi arpeggiators, chords, scales....

    I was really in love with maschine because i thought that these features would come in 2.0
    But i dont wanna wait another decade til maschine gets this

    And max4live is awesome

    I have maschine mk1 since 2 years or so and i am looking at push right now because live is much more advanced than maschine software.

    And ableton is working hard to get many features to use with push

    I think that the Push 2 hardware will get a graphical display too (especially since NI announced maschine studio)

    Greets

    Moroe
     
  8. digweedgr

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    I ve worked on both mashine mk1 and push. In my point of view ableton is a complete daw. I really love the fact that you can easilly drop audio samples inside ableton and create miracles out of it. BUT maschine 2.0 looks very clean and more simple. Does anybody know if you can do the same in maschine 2.0? Last time i used mashine was way before the 1.8 update so i really dont know what happened since. It looks like in 2.0 you can arrange your track like in ableton, but i really dont know its differences with the arrangment view. What i really like in push aswell is the scale thing, it works really well, i wish if maschine had the same option. Btw just1n, which apps are you talking about? I am looking forward to download them because if i could use scales like push in maschine, then i might start thinking of selling push for mstudio.
     
  9. digweedgr

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    Ok i will look for these, thanks a lot :)
     
  10. queglay

    queglay NI Product Owner

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    This brings a big list of NI VST presets into Ableton so the NI VST presets can be browsed also on Push

    Maschine 2.0 and Battery 4 presets are each available as drum racks and ready to be sequenced on push.

    The macroX M4L plugin we developed further blurs the line between the Maschine vs Push debate. I've always wanted both.
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2014
  11. the hamburgler

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    ableton is such a great program but it's also a completely 'other' paradigm than Maschine, I wouldn't sell maschine for ableton or vice versa for that matter, you will feel the difference in the areas where maschines workflow really comes into it's own
     
  12. dreddiknight

    dreddiknight NI Product Owner

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    This...
     
  13. Scaper7

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    agreed ... versus schmersus ... ableton + maschine + komplete , wouldn't pass up any of these. Maschine 2.0 looks looks like it will make integration even better. Suddenly i can wait for Push ... will be getting Maschine 2.0 first.
     
  14. TraumaBeatsDrama

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    been looking, can you use the scale part of launchpad95 within maschine without live? that would be sick :)
     
  15. skizm

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    It's really easy to figure out basic scales types (maj, min, etc) on 4x4 pads and memorize the pad combos. Then all you have to do for each song is just transpose the root note (using the pad 13 semitone-. pad 14 semitone+ on Maschine) to the key center of the song. You basically have the same thing as scale mode. In Maschine, you can have a different key scale set in each group, in keyboard/pad mode. Simply tell each pad what note to play, go through the scale across the pads, save it as a project or even a group by group affair for easy recall/transfer to projects or jam sessions.

    There's a handy scale chart method where you can just change the root key on Maschine to play the different scales easily: http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?163177-Scale-Charts-for-Maschine

    Also, if you have an iPad, there are many ipad apps that do harmonic table keybeds like Musix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSl8DZOPy74
    plus Chordion, Polychord, Seline, Soundprism, Melodymaker, Orphion...etc.
     
  16. TraumaBeatsDrama

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    i meant for using a launchpad s/mini as a keyboard. i like the idea of having a key pallet ready to go for multiple octaves.

    i saw the 16 pad work around, and that would only be viable for performance in my situation.

    luckily with midi import, i can write my melodies and chord progressions in other software and transfer them in!
     
  17. Scaper7

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    Yes, what a difference that will make ... not to mention the vast libraries of MIDI production files available.
     
  18. Phyia

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    i have both maschine mkII and ableton... so i can only compare these two... and i can tell you that for me the work flow in maschine is more fluid and faster... mainly when it comes to sample editing, because Push doesn't have this ability (yet). I like maschines feel better, to me its pads, layout design, easy to see labeling on the hardware is perfect, you can even see them in very low light, for push the buttons feel stiff, some of the buttons don't really do what you would think they would... like the delete, but i'm sure they will update this... push has ableton, and thats its biggest asset, and i feel if you want to become more original (like avoiding the use of samples) it can be done in maschine but ableton is better for that in my opinion... But i think they both are unique, do you need both absolutely NOT, but my recommendation would go as follow. For sampled based production i'd take maschine even though it doesn't do half of the sample editing that you can do in ableton, but the quick learning curve and down right fun and simplicity of maschine would be my choice. If you want to create full songs, and have time and the money to learn and purchase push, i'd say go for it... but ableton is very very deep, and you my feel like you have to learn two programs just to run push correctly... ableton has very nice features much more than maschine, but as for push the controller, i'd have to give it a 6 out of 10 when comparing it to the MKIIs 9 out of 10.. maschine just feels better to me. this is just my opinion.
     
  19. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss NI Product Owner

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    I just got Maschine a few weeks ago. A MkI controller & 1.8.2, I love it. I wish there was a way I could "play" more than an octave at a time, without having to get a big ole keyboard to hook up to it. So I bought a launchpad mini which I plan to use with Maschine to play melodies & chords. I bought it online, so it's not here yet.

    I already own Live, could use Maschine (with the template) to control it, but got to thinking the launchpad mini already does most of the controlling I'd want to. I started watching some videos on the tube & it appears that the launchpad can do 99% of what Push can. So with a mixture of the launchpad+Live & Maschine, I don't need Push.

    But I bought it today anyway. So I'll have both, plus a launchpad.
     
  20. taoyoyo

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