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Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by digweedgr, Oct 2, 2013.
Maschine Studio & Ableton Push
That is my plan. As for choosing only one, I won't venture to opine on that until 2.0 is release. That said if I had to choose between my Maschine MK1 with 1.8 and Ableton Push with Live 9 Suite, I'd currently choose the latter.
If you want an out of the box experience while still working in the box. Maschine is the way to go (especially if you chop samples, etc). If you primarily work in the box but need controller for performances then Push may be a good solution. I use ableton with LiveControl or Touchable so push isn't my thing since I have what I need already, and while Maschine is the best Ableton controller (too much paging) it can work as one as well.
Unless you bring Live 9 into the picture then we are just talking apples and oranges. Live 9 + Push vs Maschine 2.0 Studio. Ill wait and see but right now my money is on Live 9 due to it being a full DAW. Maschine 2.0 is a beat makers paradise.
+ 1 kevwestbeats and mezzurias
with mSTUDIO you can everything from the hardware
With push you can't
Live 9 would be nice as a supplement program for maschine, by dragging converted audio-to-midi from live over to maschine
But on the flip side Live is a much more powerful DAW than Maschine 2.0
Live has many audio inputs for hardware synths
Live has midi arpeggiators, chords, scales....
I was really in love with maschine because i thought that these features would come in 2.0
But i dont wanna wait another decade til maschine gets this
And max4live is awesome
I have maschine mk1 since 2 years or so and i am looking at push right now because live is much more advanced than maschine software.
And ableton is working hard to get many features to use with push
I think that the Push 2 hardware will get a graphical display too (especially since NI announced maschine studio)
Remember it's all about the workflow and the scale stuff is easy, I use my ipad as a wireless midi controller and I got over 4 apps that have diffrent scale specific interfaces, I have that I will never tell you what it is called but it is better than pushs scale thingy
I ve worked on both mashine mk1 and push. In my point of view ableton is a complete daw. I really love the fact that you can easilly drop audio samples inside ableton and create miracles out of it. BUT maschine 2.0 looks very clean and more simple. Does anybody know if you can do the same in maschine 2.0? Last time i used mashine was way before the 1.8 update so i really dont know what happened since. It looks like in 2.0 you can arrange your track like in ableton, but i really dont know its differences with the arrangment view. What i really like in push aswell is the scale thing, it works really well, i wish if maschine had the same option. Btw just1n, which apps are you talking about? I am looking forward to download them because if i could use scales like push in maschine, then i might start thinking of selling push for mstudio.
Pianist pro, muza, mode machines and my secret one that I'll never tell Anyone... It's like push but has scales and it makes harmonies so easy and amazing... After fully understanding it, I paired it with maschine and my production skills got better... Made me sound like I'm a beast on the keys lol
Ok i will look for these, thanks a lot
This brings a big list of NI VST presets into Ableton so the NI VST presets can be browsed also on Push
Maschine 2.0 and Battery 4 presets are each available as drum racks and ready to be sequenced on push.
The macroX M4L plugin we developed further blurs the line between the Maschine vs Push debate. I've always wanted both.
ableton is such a great program but it's also a completely 'other' paradigm than Maschine, I wouldn't sell maschine for ableton or vice versa for that matter, you will feel the difference in the areas where maschines workflow really comes into it's own
agreed ... versus schmersus ... ableton + maschine + komplete , wouldn't pass up any of these. Maschine 2.0 looks looks like it will make integration even better. Suddenly i can wait for Push ... will be getting Maschine 2.0 first.
been looking, can you use the scale part of launchpad95 within maschine without live? that would be sick
It's really easy to figure out basic scales types (maj, min, etc) on 4x4 pads and memorize the pad combos. Then all you have to do for each song is just transpose the root note (using the pad 13 semitone-. pad 14 semitone+ on Maschine) to the key center of the song. You basically have the same thing as scale mode. In Maschine, you can have a different key scale set in each group, in keyboard/pad mode. Simply tell each pad what note to play, go through the scale across the pads, save it as a project or even a group by group affair for easy recall/transfer to projects or jam sessions.
There's a handy scale chart method where you can just change the root key on Maschine to play the different scales easily: http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?163177-Scale-Charts-for-Maschine
Also, if you have an iPad, there are many ipad apps that do harmonic table keybeds like Musix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSl8DZOPy74
plus Chordion, Polychord, Seline, Soundprism, Melodymaker, Orphion...etc.
i meant for using a launchpad s/mini as a keyboard. i like the idea of having a key pallet ready to go for multiple octaves.
i saw the 16 pad work around, and that would only be viable for performance in my situation.
luckily with midi import, i can write my melodies and chord progressions in other software and transfer them in!