Maschine timing vs. MPC (with audio samples)

I know there is a lot of discuss about this, but I want to know if anyone have the answer...

I'm working with mpc 2000xl for my house beats, and now I have maschine too,
Here you have 2 loops with a kick,hat and snare roll with swing....I don't know why sounds different at same quantization, and same swing (45% on maschine, and 64% on mpc, that is similar)

Why MPC snares roll sounds to me more human or "fast" on this groove? maschine loop sounds more flat, is like mpc loop is more groovy...

Anyone know the answer? Maybe I'm doing something wrong on maschine... :|

MPC:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4029608/vs/MPC%202000xl.mp3
Maschine:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4029608/vs/Maschine.mp3

 

1/16 note quantize

 

is a snare roll quantized on 1/16

 

I'm sorry I, don't hear a difference in the pattern itself, the only slight difference i hear is that the mpc has a bit more highs which isn't what this thread is about and could have everything to do with your AD converters and/or your recording technique

 

Lmao

 

maybe you can't hear the difference with snares, i know sound on mpc is more brighter and crisp, but i don't talk about sound, talk about feel, velocity or groove
tomorrow will upload new loops with hihats repeats on same quantization and swing, and maybe say me that hear some differences,
i like maschine, workflow is amazing, but need to get same groovy that get on mpc, an at this moment i can't get it
anyone?

 

if moving hits to a pre determined grid via swing =feel , velocity/groove then i must be backwards.

why dont you switch off the grid any swing and altering things and record and play how you tap the damn pads thats how real groove and feel is done.

 

Yeah I agree,your not going to get the same feel always,but turning off the quantize and creating your own personal swing n feel might get you a better feel..

 

:lol:
No.

 

Any difference with these loops? At least for me 1/16 quantized hats with swing sounds different... wait for your answers! thanks in advance!

MASCHINE:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4029608/vd%20hats/Masch-2.mp3

MPC:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4029608/vd%20hats/MPC-2.mp3

 

Maybe swing on mpc affects the velocity as well as the timing, or maybe there is a setting to affect velocity? I dunno...also, not sure if maschine has something like that, I'm still learning it...

 

i think maybe is about velocity too, or decay on closer sound, is little, but has something especial no?

 

you're right, there is a difference in groove. it's not you cannot make groovy tracks with maschine (yes you can), but the mpc swings somehow get you there faster. with maschine it's always fiddling around. but you save more time with sample chopping on maschine than you win with programming drum grooves on the mpc.
once there will be groove extraction/import in maschine, mpc will be super dead.

 

Depending on the grid increment you chose when you set the swing in Maschine, that 45% may not be like the MPC on 64% at all. There's a big difference between 1/8th and 6/16.

Also, there's the envelope issue, and velocity issue as well.

I really like the early MPC's swing function, it sounds great most of the time. I think that Maschine's swing function is good, but I find myself now wanting Maschine to sound like me, and not a predefined swing (although I do love adding swing to hi hat patterns, as I am a terrible hi hat player, evidently).

 

is there any way to repost those files? i would love to hear the difference in the straight groove as well as grooves with swing.

 

I will never understand this fascination with groove and groove templates and quantizing swing patterns and what-not. Can someone explain it to me?

If i want a nice groovy beat, i just play it on the pads. Am i doing something wrong?

 

your dealing with two types of machines an analog machine with built in parts and your dealing with a midi machine, thats the answer to why there is a difference in the swing. you might get close to recreating the swing in maschine but to be an exact replica of mpc swing is not going to happen..

 

2 different instruments, all of the mpcs don't even sound the same as each other.

 

That will be a killer feature, but I will settle for a simple midi and MPC seq import feature first... LOL I'm not going back unless I'm selling old tracks.